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Questions with new All-In-One

Post by sheilajim » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:34 pm

Hi All

I have been scanning old BW photos to my computer program Paint Shop Pro X1 to fix them up. I also want to learn how to colorize these old photos. I have been using an Epson RX600 to do this and they have scanned very well to that program. The only problem with the Epson RX600 is that Epson will not guarantee that the prints will last longer than 10 years.

My husband bought me an Epson Artisan 800 for my birthday. :D When I scanned my photos to the Paint Shop Pro X1 program, I cannot enlarge them without a great deal of pixelation. :( I have set the scanning to 600dpi.

When I scanned them to a program that came with my new All-In-One, the pictures came out just fine. From that program I transferred them to the Paint Shop ProX1 program.
I have made it work, but it is a hassle to scan to one program and then transfer them to another.
I got in touch with Epson about this problem, and they told me to contact Paint Shop Pro. When I contacted Paint Shop Pro, they told me that it must be Epson's fault. :evil:
Can anybody explain to me why such a thing can happen. The whole thing has me puzzled. :?

One more thing, what is the difference between JPEG and JPG?

Regards
Sheila

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Post by LesleyB » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:41 pm

Hi Sheila
One more thing, what is the difference between JPEG and JPG?
They are the same image file type.

Best wishes
Lesley

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Re: Questions with new All-In-One

Post by WilmaM » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:49 pm

sheilajim wrote:Hi All

I The only problem with the Epson RX600 is that Epson will not guarantee that the prints will last longer than 10 years.

Regards
I don't find it ecconomical to print photographs out at home, it's expensive and the quality is never that briliant.

I much prefer getting them printed using an online printing service - like Tesco.
If you wait until you have several photographs then the price per print comes down dramatically, and the quality is excellent.
Wilma

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Post by sheilajim » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:15 am

Hi Leslie & Wilma,

Leslie I thought that JPEG & JPG were the same, but why does my program give me a choice on them. I don't want to save my photos to TIFF, because the file would be to large.

I forgot to mention that Epson says that the prints printed off on Epson Artisan 800 will last 2 hundred years if stored correctly. For the most part the prints printed on the Epson RX600 and Artisan 800 look as good as those that are done commercially. If I have a bunch of new color prints it is cheaper to have them done commercially.

I am trying to restore some damaged old photos. I eventually want to colorize them too. Most of my old photos are damaged or faded in one way or the other. I find doing it myself gratifying. :D

Does anybody else out there have an Epson Artisan 800? Have they had any problems scanning them to Paint Shop ProX1?
Sheila

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Post by LesleyB » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:51 am

Hi Sheila
Leslie I thought that JPEG & JPG were the same, but why does my program give me a choice on them.
PSP X2 gives a choice of saving as a JPG / JPEG. Perhaps your program is just giving a choice of file extension? (.jpg or .jpeg) ..though I can't imagine why it would make any difference these days. TIFFs are the better file format for images as they do not "throw away" image data like jpgs. But as you mention, they tend to create larger files and take up more room.

Best wishes
Lesley

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Post by Currie » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:03 pm

Hello Sheila,

I’ve scanned many thousands of items over the years but never once have I scanned them directly into a photo editing program. I scan them into a folder. If I am working on photographs I never scan them one at a time and work on them one at a time. I scan them by the hundreds into a folder and then when I want to work on them I open one or whatever number using a photo editing program. Your scanner software should have options of which program if any you wish to use and it should also have an option of scanning it into a folder which you can create for the purpose. You can do some trial runs to make sure that what is coming from the scanner has the right number of pixels etc and looks exactly right.

I wouldn’t recommend scanning as a jpg if only because you will regret it later. Scan as a tiff. If the file sizes are too large you may be scanning at too high a resolution. If you’re scanning old photographs 300 dpi is the absolute minimum and you could go higher but possibly no higher than 400 unless it is something special or something of very small size but very high image quality. You can’t improve a box brownie quality photo by scanning it at extra high resolutions just as you shouldn’t insult a 19th century cabinet photo taken by professional equipment on a full size negative by scanning it at 200 dpi. If you need to print a particular photo a bit larger than the original size and it is of good quality it may be advantageous to scan at a slightly higher resolution.

Keep the original scan unchanged and work on a copy. Save that copy with your restoration work in its original tif format. If you don’t you will regret it later, take it from me, I know, been there, done that. You can run off a batch of copies in jpg format any time you later need them using a program like Irfanview. If you start running out of hard drive space buy more or transfer your original scans onto high quality CDs or DVDs and access them from there.

The trouble with claims by inkjet manufacturers about the durability of photographs printed at home using their particular brand of ink is that it’s all theoretical. The only way that you will ever know how they will look in ten, twenty or thirty years is by looking at them after that period of time has expired. Any sort of guarantee from these companies is for all practical purposes completely worthless. How would they honour such a guarantee, even if they were still around after ten or twenty years let alone two hundred? How do they replace a photo of granny.

Why are inkjet ink producers making all these claims about durability? Simply because inkjets have had a bad reputation as far as durability is concerned. No other industry on the planet would ever feel the need to claim a 200 year product life for which they could never be held accountable. We all know how long old black and white photographs can last. If you keep them out of the sun the image can last almost forever. The next big advance in photography was colour and that was a disaster as far as durability was concerned. The best preserved of the old colour variety are actually black and white photos that were professionally hand coloured.

Printing your own colour photographs can be very expensive and it can be very much cheaper to have them done at a shop. Which are the most durable, the ones printed at home or the ones done at the shop? Your guess is as good as mine. Don’t spend too much on them because in reality they are an unknown quantity. That said it can be very satisfying to see a photo you’ve worked on yourself come out your own printer.

The most precious thing is the original photograph, the original digital scan and the separate copy you’ve spent all your time on. The one you’ve worked on you may decide later needs a bit more attention, or maybe you’ll think that a particular part of it, say a face, can be done better now that you have more experience. You can just copy the face area from the original scan onto your working version and work on just that little bit. That’s bound to happen and if you only have a jpg then you’re in trouble as far as quality and flexibility is concerned.

The original photograph will continue to deteriorate unless looked after carefully. The scanned and restored images will never deteriorate. They will either be absolutely as perfect as the day they were born or not be there at all. In other words if you protect and backup the data you will be able to print them again in 10 years time or whatever on the very latest of printers with the very latest of inks with the very latest of guarantees and compare them side by side with the 2008 version to see how they stack up.

And if you are scanning very old photographs remember that they tend to be dusty and to lose bits of themselves. Make sure that you keep the scanner glass dust and fragment free. And scan them in colour. There’s some good scanning info here http://www.scantips.com/

Hope all that helps,
Alan

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Post by sheilajim » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:23 pm

Hi Alan

That is wonderful advice. My most precious photos are the BW ones. Some of them go back to the 1920's. Many of these photos have been stored badly. Most of these pictures are quite small, wallet sized. I want to enlarge them to at least 5 X 7. I also have some color photos from the 1950's that have changed color or are fading. The BW photos from the 1950's are in better shape than the color photos.
I have been scanning all of these photos at 600dpi. I can go as high as 1200 dpi, but have not done so yet. All of the pictures I have scanned go directly into the My Pictures Folder, no matter which program I have scanned them to.

I have not been saving the original scan after I have worked on my photos. I will do as you advise and make a duplicate from now on. I think that I will start scanning in TIFF too.

The two hundred year projection by Epson has been verified by an independent group, from Sweden. (At least I think that it is Sweden) I know that it is unlikely that I will be around then, :D but at least there is hope that these photos will last more than 10 years.

I have been thinking of dumping my PSPX1 and getting Photoshop Elements. It is more expensive than PSP, but still affordable.

Thanks again
Sheila

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Post by Currie » Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:16 am

That’s okay Sheila,

You’ve taken up a very interesting hobby although sometimes you’ll be wishing they’d thrown away the photograph and kept the negative.

All the best,
Alan

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Post by sheilajim » Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:53 pm

Hi Alan

It will be an interesting hobby, but one with a steep learning curve. :D


Regards
Sheila