Meaning in a name

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Kathy
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Meaning in a name

Post by Kathy » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:33 pm

Can anyone enlighten me please.

In the names beginning with Mc, why is there an = under the lower case c? is it just carried on from an older style of calligraphy? or does it have a meaning?

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Post by LesleyB » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:54 pm

Hi Kathy
In the names beginning with Mc, why is there an = under the lower case c?
Not sure where you have seen this - was it in a book?

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Post by Scozzie » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:32 am

I was born a Mc and I've never use a = under the c - and I have never seen it anywhere.

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Post by emanday » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:41 am

Hi Kathy,

Yes, I've seen examples of this as well, but not for many a year!

One of my teachers always did it and I'm almost positive one of my deceased rellies spouse did it as well.

Why? Haven't a clue :roll:
[b]Mary[/b]
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Post by Kathy » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:50 am

My maiden name is McNeill, my father used = under the c in everything he signed, and it was on his passport.

I used it when I was quite young, it was always just part of my name, but on reflection, I don't know why.

Kathy :oops:
McNeil, McNeill, Craig, Orr, Mitchell, McArthur, McMillan, McGregor, Gray, Dixon, Graham, RFW, Port Glasgow, Greenock & Paisley.
Thornton, Lynch, Flood, Sexton, County Cavan Ireland.
Appleby, Cardiff, Wales,Cooke, Holder, Gloucestershire, England

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Post by Kathy » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:34 am

I forgot to mention the c is raised with = beneath.

A google search says that a Superscript c underscored was common in the 18th century right up till the early 20th century, but only in hand written documents, typewriters not having a key with this function, and with the introduction of computers the underscored high c became archaic.

It was suggested that the underscore may have been used just to fill the space under the high c.

Kathy
McNeil, McNeill, Craig, Orr, Mitchell, McArthur, McMillan, McGregor, Gray, Dixon, Graham, RFW, Port Glasgow, Greenock & Paisley.
Thornton, Lynch, Flood, Sexton, County Cavan Ireland.
Appleby, Cardiff, Wales,Cooke, Holder, Gloucestershire, England

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Post by LesleyB » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:32 am

Hi Kathy
Looks like you've answered your own question now! :lol: We've all done that from time to time. Interesting to hear the answer - I don't think I've ever noticed a = under a letter c... you learn something new on here every day!

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Lesley

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Post by Kathy » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:56 am

Hi Lesley,

Actually, it made me feel a bit old to learn it was used up to the early 20th century, because I had already admitted I used it in my younger days :shock:

Kathy
McNeil, McNeill, Craig, Orr, Mitchell, McArthur, McMillan, McGregor, Gray, Dixon, Graham, RFW, Port Glasgow, Greenock & Paisley.
Thornton, Lynch, Flood, Sexton, County Cavan Ireland.
Appleby, Cardiff, Wales,Cooke, Holder, Gloucestershire, England

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Post by Chris Paton » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:25 am

Hi Kathy,

You'll also see Mc or Mac written as M' in some records, with an apostrophe, so M'Donald etc. It's just another way or writing it, in the same way that when I write a '7' or a captial 'Z', I put a line across the middle of it.

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Post by Andrew C. » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:46 pm

As has been mentioned I am sure it was just fanciful rather than having a purpose. I was going to ask I am a bit confused. I always presumed Mc was just a shorter version of Mac however I have heard it said that Mc is the Irish version any one know the truth in this. Also O' is grandson of any one know why there is not a Scots Gaelic version of this?