Postboxes in Scotland

[DavidWW]

Are you saying there is more to it than Betty Windsor being Elizabeth the First of Scotland?

All the best,

AndrewP

Yes !, in terms of explaining jist that, and what appears on Scottish postboxes, and whose actions led to that, and how that connects with the Stone of Destiny (ooopps , sorry, didn't mention that connection before ); never mind the Scottish advocates' oath ............. [after your edit, you're just about there ]

C'moan, are y'all going to leave this to N Americans and Australasians to solve

David

PS General European practice was/is always that there is no regnal number for the first of the name, unless there is then a second of the name, e.g. Queen Elizabeth of England, at least as far as Scots should be concerned.

[AnneM]

Hi

Did it not have something to do with Ian Hamilton and John McCormick and others kidnapping the Stone of Scone back in about 1952. There is also an important Scottish constitutional law case called McCormick v Lord Advocate which if I remember rightly concerns, among other things, the correct nomenclature for our present monarch, though if my memory serves me correctly McCormick lost. As I recall it had to do with the status of the Act of Union and whether parliament could legislate in violation of the Act.

Anne

PS By accepted constitutional law theory it can!

[DavidWW]

Hi

Did it not have something to do with Ian Hamilton and John McCormick and others kidnapping the Stone of Scone back in about 1952. There is also an important Scottish constitutional law case called McCormick v Lord Advocate which if I remember rightly concerns, among other things, the correct nomenclature for our present monarch, though if my memory serves me correctly McCormick lost. As I recall it had to do with the status of the Act of Union and whether parliament could legislate in violation of the Act.

Anne

PS By accepted constitutional law theory it can!

OK, Hamilton/McCormick might have lost their action, but, amongst the consequences were that new Scottish postboxes only thereafter showed " ER " as opposed to " EIIR ", and Scottish advocates weren't required to swear allegiance to "Elizabeth the Second", but only to "Elizabeth" ..............

See that man Ian Hamilton

David

[AnneM]

Ha

Just found a book with something relevant to McCormick v LA. Seems that I did the judges a disservice and the decision did hold that the 'English' parliament could not simply over-rule the Act of Union at will. It was however a Scottish case! Standard British/English con law theory still holds that parliament cannot be limited. Hence an Act of Parliament cannot currently be struck down as contrary to the Human Rights Act. Anyway the book did not give the full details of the case but reminded me that it was known as the EIIR case which leads me to believe that it has something to do with post boxes.

Good bunch McCormicks. I even voted for one once, which is not my usual persuasion!!!!

Anne

[DavidWW]

Ha

Just found a book with something relevant to McCormick v LA. Seems that I did the judges a disservice and the decision did hold that the 'English' parliament could not simply over-rule the Act of Union at will. It was however a Scottish case! Standard British/English con law theory still holds that parliament cannot be limited. Hence an Act of Parliament cannot currently be struck down as contrary to the Human Rights Act. Anyway the book did not give the full details of the case but reminded me that it was known as the EIIR case which leads me to believe that it has something to do with post boxes.

Good bunch McCormicks. I even voted for one once, which is not my usual persuasion!!!!

Anne

But just what is the position, then, when an Act of the UK Parliament is contrary to the clear provisons of the Acts of Unions of 1707, - the one Act in Scotland, and the other, matching Act in Westminster


The "Poll Tax" comes to mind as the 1707 Scottish Act quite clearly made it clear that there should never, "for all time", be a difference in how Scots were taxed, as opposed to those citizens of the UK residing in England, Wales, and Ireland (later Northern Ireland).

David

[emanday]

OK, so they should only show ER because, when ERI was Queen of England, Scotland still had a Queen, Mary Queen of Scots, followed by her son, James VI (Scotland) / James I (England), who did not become King of England till after both Mary lost her head and Elizabeth I died of natural causes!

Seems reasonable to me!

As to the remark about the "1707 Scottish Act quite clearly made it clear that there should never, "for all time", be a difference in how Scots were taxed, as opposed to those citizens of the UK residing in England, Wales, and Ireland (later Northern Ireland)"

A'hm sayin nuttin on the basis that I was living in England at the time the Poll Tax was invoked in Scotland and got a real earful from my big sister about it!

[wini]

Unlike Andrew I am old enough to remember the E11R on Post Boxes.
They didn't last long. A couple were blown up and all the old Scotland v England arguments started up again.

"She" maybe Elizabeth the second of England but only Elizabeth first of Scotland.
I think it became an emotional discussion because of all the romantic notions of Mary Queen of Scots and the hated, in Scotland ,Elizabeth the first who beheaded 'OUR QUEEN"

wini

[David Lang]

I think that Tobermory has a Edward VIII post box which if i am right is extremely rare

[Guest]

What used to be Methil Post Office (now Methil Heritage Centre) was one of the few built in the reign of Edward VIII. If you look at the bottom of the page - they were nice and provided a photo.

http://www.rpasmith.co.uk/lowermethil.htm

Dave

[CatrionaL]

The following link takes you to an amusing wee story in which figures this very post box.

http://www.tachras.com/journal/articles ... ethil5.htm

Best wishes

Catriona