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AndrewP
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by AndrewP » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:38 am
JustJean wrote:Nelmit....I think
CULROSS must be
COO ROW in keeping with other previously unknown and now discovered conventions.... As for
STRATHAVEN.....Hah...this is gonna be a trick one I can Tell!!
How about
STRAT HAN???????
Culross = Coo-russ or maybe Coo-ross
Strathaven = Straven (rhymes with raven)
Another few for you:
Avoch
Athelstaneford
Scone
Kirkcudbright
(and no, Dumfries does not rhyme with Humphreys, nor with fries)
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by JayPee » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:38 am
sporran wrote:Hello Jean,
looks like Ayr and Dundee are the only places that you can visit without offending some dialect.
Regards from Lem-ster,
John
Sorry, I'm just catching up (and *so* sorry I tried to view
this topic
... )
When you say "Ayr", is that like the stuff we breathe in Canada/USA ("air"), or is it more like anger ("ire") ??
(Gee, it's tough from this "other" side of the Atlantic... even the simple ones -- three letters! -- can be difficult! With the "Gee" pronounced as in "djee"
)
Jean ... I wish you the best of luck -- you'll need it
- JayPee (with the "ay" in "Jay" pronounced as the "ai" in "air", and the "ee" in "pee" pronounced as in ... the "ee" in "pee"
I'll have to update my signature to reflect this ...)
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by AndrewP » Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:43 am
JayPee wrote:When you say "Ayr", is that like the stuff we breathe in Canada/USA ("air"), or is it more like anger ("ire") ??
Ayr - like the air that you breathe.
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by DavidWW » Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:58 am
AndrewP wrote:JayPee wrote:When you say "Ayr", is that like the stuff we breathe in Canada/USA ("air"), or is it more like anger ("ire") ??
Ayr - like the air that you breathe.
All the best,
AndrewP
Ayr as in
"Ayr wham ne'er a toon surpasses
for Honest Men and Bonnie Lasses".
David
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by wini » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:14 am
youse lot wur very funny but I didnae think yill be much help to Jean
I cannae unnerstan haf of ye and a wis born an grew up in g
Glesga.
Its no the written word its the accents..
wini
Munro, McPhee, Gunn, Reid, McCreadie, Jackson, Cree, McFarland,Gillies,Gebbie,McCallum,Dawson
Glasgow, Durness,Kilmuir via Uig, Logie Easter
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by alex19canteen » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:03 pm
JustJean wrote:Perfect ochs....aye that'll be me
!
Matter of fact I do want to get through some of Ayrshire so we just might meet.
I have a distant cousin in Maybole (thankfully I think I can handle that one...unless it's really May Bool
)
OK...then whit dae ah dae aboot
CULZEAN as in castle???
Jean
Are you one of them Kennedys?
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by JustJean » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:10 pm
AndrewP wrote:.....snipped.............
Culross = Coo-russ or maybe Coo-ross
Strathaven = Straven (rhymes with raven)
Another few for you:
Avoch
Athelstaneford
Scone
Kirkcudbright
(and no, Dumfries does not rhyme with Humphreys, nor with fries)
All the best,
AndrewP
Well then Andrew at least I was on the right track for the first half of CULROSS. So I do include an "ess" sound! But STRATHAVEN....I wasn't even close. Remove the T instead of accentuating it but you do say ay ven.....unless your raven is no the bird but the beginning of ravenous...short a?...long a? you see my point!!
AVOCH - short 'a' AV and then the throaty thing that I'm going to excel at "och"???? probably not right.............
ATHELSTANFORD - Ethel (like I Love Lucy) then Stain and then Ferd. Accent on the Stain.
SCONE -
Oh dear....I thought this is what you ate when you had your tea.....one syllable and rhymes with Cone??
KIRKCUBRIGHT - Thank the guid lord I know this one!!! Can't recall where I picked it up but had a rellie born there and so was interested in the area. Kirk (like the church) short u then Brie (like the cheese)? Is that close enough???
DUMFRIES -
drat I thought this was a given. It's been rhyming with my Humphreys since day one. Jist whit does it rhyme with? Do you remove the FR altogether and get Dummies????
I'm starting a
SCOTTISH PLACENAMES FOR DUMMIES...
Best wishes
Jean
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by JustJean » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:14 pm
alex19canteen wrote:JustJean wrote:Perfect ochs....aye that'll be me
!
Matter of fact I do want to get through some of Ayrshire so we just might meet.
I have a distant cousin in Maybole (thankfully I think I can handle that one...unless it's really May Bool
)
OK...then whit dae ah dae aboot
CULZEAN as in castle???
Jean
Are you one of them Kennedys?
Me? A Kennedy?? Nae so posh as that
(Probably we're not even talking about the same family!
)
Best wishes
Jean
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by WilmaM » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:35 pm
JustJean wrote:
AVOCH - short 'a' AV and then the throaty thing that I'm going to excel at "och"???? probably not right.............
ATHELSTANFORD - Ethel (like I Love Lucy) then Stain and then Ferd. Accent on the Stain.
SCONE -
Oh dear....I thought this is what you ate when you had your tea.....one syllable and rhymes with Cone??
KIRKCUBRIGHT - Thank the guid lord I know this one!!! Can't recall where I picked it up but had a rellie born there and so was interested in the area. Kirk (like the church) short u then Brie (like the cheese)? Is that close enough???
DUMFRIES -
drat I thought this was a given. It's been rhyming with my Humphreys since day one. Jist whit does it rhyme with? Do you remove the FR altogether and get Dummies????
I'm starting a
SCOTTISH PLACENAMES FOR DUMMIES...
Best wishes
Jean
AVOCH - forget the AV and you are right It's just
Och
SCONE - is Scoon rhymes with moon
ATHELSTANFORD - keep the 'A' at the start [unless you come from Kelvinside
]
KIRKCUBRIGHT - I'd say Kirk - Coo - bray but whit the 'down hamers' actually say......
DUMFRIES - DUM- free-SS
You are getting there
Wilma
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by AndrewP » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:48 pm
WilmaM wrote:ATHELSTANFORD - keep the 'A' at the start [unless you come from Kelvinside
]
Athelstaneford = Athelstane-Ford (emphasis on Ford)
The cross of St Andrew was (reputedly) seen in a cloud formation there and taken as the national flag of Scotland.
http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/towns/townfirst640.html
Wilma, regarding Camelon - I had always believed it to be as camel-on, then when I started working amongst people from the west, they referred to it as came-lon. What is your pronunciation for it?
All the best,
Andrew
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