The " Lands"

[verity]

Has anybody discovered a way to try and find the location of a specific land that was listed as an address. Eg. Douglas' Land , Holytown. I am going to visit Holytown for the 2nd time next year and am trying to find some way of finding it's location. I also have a few others that I want to find.

Also tring to find Old Stone Row in Calderbank and Academy Square in Mossend.

Regards Verity

[Russell]

Hi Verity

Welcome to TalkingScot. At the beginning of the Index page you will find lots of sources for that sort of information as well as the type of topics which we feel able to help people with. e.g We cannot help with enquiries about possibly living relatives and direct people to other sites for this.
I have picked out our topic heading for map sources though

viewtopic.php?t=10335

and suggest that you browse these. Several of these sites allow you to magnify views of places so that farms and specific named places can be identified. Be warned, it sometimes takes a fair bit of time to scan slowly over the map to find the place you are looking for.
often place names such as you have given were linked to a family buying and building on a property in a small village. Modern maps tend to have street names instead.
If you can't find the place give us any other info you have.
The Header page for the early censuses was often helpful but that only takes you back to 1841. In my own village that type of description was still in use but had gone out of use by 1851

Russell

[LesleyB]

Hi Verity
...and welcome to Talking Scot.

In the context of an inner city or very built up areas "Lands" very often means a building like a tenement, with several floors. Can you give us a date for Douglas' Lands?

When you are in Glasgow, a visit to the Mitchell Library might be worthwhile too. They have many maps of the Glasgow area.

To help you get the most out of TS, check out the forum rules in "Essential Reading" http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=14
and also have a look at the "How to" Section
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which should help you settle in and feel at home in no time!

Best wishes
Lesley

[Hugo]

Lesley,

Until now I only knew of the 'lands' in Edinburgh Royal Mile. I had hoped to buy a flat in one and to retire there, but that never happened.

Again thanks for the info.

Hugo

[LesleyB]

Hi Hugo
I think, well, certainly for me, the lands in Edinburgh on the High Street are the first ones that spring to mind, especially Gladstones Land
http://www.aboutbritain.com/GladstonesLand.htm
http://www.edinburgh-royalmile.com/inte ... _land.html
and the lands at Mary Kings Close, http://www.edinburgh.org.uk/MaryKing/tax.htm
http://www.realmarykingsclose.com/
...both of which you can visit.

I've also come across "Lands" in Leith, which is not a big city, but definately a built up area. But its no just the east coast....

http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/smihou/smihou067.htm

THIS property is on the left bank of the Clyde, a short way west from Govan, and extends to about twelve acres.

Towards the end of last century it belonged to James Spreull, who was many years City Chamberlain....An old lady, Miss Margaret Spreull, daughter of John Spreull ....was proprietress of an antique edifice on the north side of Trongate, between what are now Hutcheson and Glassford Streets, consisting of two storeys, with gable end, and "corby steps," facing the Trongate, like the ancient range still lingering near Saltmarket. A large garden extended behind. This lady executed an entail of the antique house and garden, in favour of James Shortridge, above referred to, and certain other heirs, on condition that he and they should take her surname of Spreull. She died in 1784, and James Shortridge having succeeded as heir of entail, took the surname prescribed by the deed. He afterwards demolished the old edifice, and built on the site, and on part of the garden, the large and elegant tenement so well known for more than half a century as "Spreull's Land," which, when in its prime, was the residence of many citizens of note.

I doubt any "land" on the High Street in Edinburgh would be available for purchase for a reasonable price these days. Sorry to hear it did not happen for you.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Currie]

Hello Verity,

Between 1884 and 1898 in the Glasgow Herald there’s mention of Shearer’s, Neilson’s and Baird’s Land as addresses at Holytown. A google will bring up Whitelaw’s, Gilchrist’s, Bell’s, Mason’s, Clark’s, Shank’s, Paterson’s and Nelson’s Land, Holytown. Baird’s later mentioned as being a Square. Nothing for Douglas.

The Glasgow Herald has a death reported on Thursday, August 24, 1899, William Carson, Miner, of Stone Row, Calderbank, killed in accident. Also Tuesday, July 27, 1880, John Cameron, age 64, of Stone Row, Calderbank, severely injured in Boiler explosion. (he probably died). Assuming Old Stone Row is the same maybe their death certificates give more location info.

A bit on Boswell Parish housing here http://www.mining-villages.co.uk/54.html

There’s a series of 15 lengthy articles in the Glasgow Herald January to March, 1875 describing Miners Homes. On Saturday, January 16, 1875 the Motherwell and Holytown district was covered. Some detail about Academy Square which was said to be so called because the schoolhouse is built at the entrance to it.

House of Commons Parliamentary Papers 1904 provision of Electric Lighting to Bellshill and Mossend. “…… authorised by this Order to break up the streets not repairable by the local authority which are mentioned in the Second Schedule to this Order ……” Academy Square is listed in the Second Schedule. I’m not sure whether they’re breaking up the road or breaking up the houses or both.

(The 15 “Notes on Miners’ Houses” articles were:
January 11, 1875, The Glasgow (Western) District; January 13, 1875, The Coatbridge District; January 16, 1875, Motherwell and Holytown District; January 20, 1875, From Shotts to Crofthead; January 26, 1875, Ayrshire; January 28, 1875, Dalmellington and Kilmarnock Districts; January 30, 1875, From Bishopbriggs to Denny and Kilsyth?; February 2, 1875, Easterhouse and Baillieston; February 8, 1875, Mid and East Lothian; February 11, 1875, Grangemouth and Bo’ness Districts; February 16, 1875, Fife and Clackmannan districts; February 23, 1875, Fife and Clackmannan; March 2, 1875, From Slamannan to Airdrie; March 9, 1875, From Slamannan to Airdrie; March 11, 1875, Dalton in Furness.)

If you want the Parliamentary Papers item and the January 16, 1875 Glasgow Herald article (or any of the others) please let me know and I’ll email them.

Hope this helps,
Alan

[verity]

Hi Alan

How do you have all this?? I was amazed to get your reply. I would love the Parliamentary paper and the Glasgow Herald Article if you could e mail them to me veritycoATbigpond.com

I am going to look up the deaths of the miners and am currently looking at buying some old maps of my areas of interest. I really appreciate you taking the time to help and I feel I can achieve my goal of finding my locations as there's so much out there to search through.

Thanks again
Regards verity
**email address edited to prevent span...Anne H

[Currie]

Hello Verity,

Will email two files total about 1.7MB.

All Australian State Libraries have databases you can access for free from home but some States offer a better deal than others. You can get the details from here: viewtopic.php?t=11832

If your State doesn’t have the 19th Century British Library Newspapers etc you may be able to get access via a free trial as described by Chris on the 4th page of this thread: viewtopic.php?t=11449&start=45

If that doesn’t work the London Times may be separately available down this road: viewtopic.php?t=11928

Old newspapers are great. The big news for old Australian newspapers is here: http://www.nla.gov.au/ndp/index.html and it’s just gone into Beta Testing Mode.

Alan