Scoonie-Fife or Perthshire?.....

Post by **joette** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:20 pm

The 1861 census has revealed the birthplace of my GGgrandfather as Scoonie in Perthshire.I thought he was born Edinburgh but there you go...
Anyway the Scoonie I am googling seems to be in Fife.Are there two or is this part of reorgonisation?
Why do they this.My present Parlimentary Borough is possibily going to restructured which will mean we will have a MP dealing with three radically different Boroughs instead of the present one plus we get a Tory MP & I doubt that will change after reorginisation!!

Post by **AndrewP** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:56 pm

Hi Joette,

Scoonie parish is in Fife, on the coast, containing the town of Leven. Scone (pronounced Skoon) is in Perthshire, just north of Perth. They are a significant distance apart, not victims of the politicians moving the boundaries about.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:59 pm

I searched the Gazetteer of Scotland at :

http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk

and looked for a 'settlement' begining with 'SCO'

and found SCONE in Perthshire

and SCOONIE in Fife

[ the text there is copyright]

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Post by **joette** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:57 pm

Thanks to you both for that.I thought that his wife was from Scone& they had been married there.The Census definetly says Perthshire & I thought Scone but it definetly looks like Scoonie which I had never heard of & as it is not that far from Dollar thought that was more likely & they had just been playing around with the districts.I am sure it also indexed as Perthshire(SCOONIE NOT SCONE) in the OPR but I will doublecheck that.
When I learn to upload images I will post it for opinions

Ann Graham his wife died just three weeks before the Census-talk about bad timing.

Post by **joette** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:00 pm

I think I have discovered the right place it is in fact Scoonieburn which is in Perthshire.So he was born in Perthshire but not Scone but Scoonieburn-the census definetly says Scoonie/Pertshire. but maybe the enumerator had RSI from all that writing
Its near to a HM prison would that be HMP- Perth does anybody know?

Alison Plenderleith · Post by **Alison Plenderleith** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:53 pm

Hi Joette,

There was a prison in Perth (maybe still is). My ggg uncle was sent to Perth General Prison in 1871.

I haven't found out anything about it yet as I've only just ascertained it was definitely him.

Regards,

Alison

CatrionaL · Post by **CatrionaL** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:42 pm

Yes, Alison, there still is a prison in Perth.

http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/feature ... t7977.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3283413.stm

All the best

Catriona

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sporran · Post by **sporran** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:04 pm

Hello Joette and Alison,

I am a little puzzled by the maps.

A contemporary map shows "HM Prison" to the north-east of Scoonieburn and what I know to be Perth prison is to the north of Scoonieburn, in the South Inch area of Perth, and also marked HM Prison. I have no idea what the first one is.

However, one of my wife's relations, Thomas Wilson, was governor of the County Prison, Perth, which was in Speygate in the centre of the city. He was governor there in the 1871 and 1881 censuses.

Do we have any locals to give a definitive answer?

Regards,

John

Alison Plenderleith · Post by **Alison Plenderleith** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:21 pm

Hello John,

Unfortunately at the time of the 1871 census Philip was being held in Dunfermline jail so we can't compare header pages

Regards,

Alison

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:31 pm

Two jails were enumerated in Perth in the 1851 census.

General Prison for Scotland - in the East Church parish of Perth Burgh
County & City Prison of Perth - in the West Church parish of Perth Burgh

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

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