Where is EYEMOUTH?.....

[Dennis]

Season's Greetings,

I have a couple that IGI has them born in EYEMOUTH Berwickshire England; he c1824 and she c1822

However, the couple married in Eyemouth, Berwick, Scotland
dec.15, 1840.

dennis

[LesleyB]

Hi Dennis
I would have thought this was it, in Scotland - but I may be wrong...
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/e ... /eyemouth/
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/BEW/Eyemouth/
Best wishes
Lesley

m

[DavidWW]

Dennis

Very often, when a Scottish placename is referenced, the "shire" is omitted from the county name.

In this case, Eyemouth is in the county of Berwick.

Those south of the border would like us to believe that this should be expressed as "Berwickshire" but the reality is that there have never been English type "shires" in Scotland, apart from a few decades in the 1800s when the English manner of taking the county town and combining it with shire to give the county was used, - hence the anathemas of Linlithgowshire instead of West Lothian, Edinburghshire:Midlothian, Haddingtonshire:East Lothian, Forfarshire:Angus, and 1 or 2 others...........

Then, thanks to the Guid Lord, guid Scots sense prevailed and the traditional Scots county names were restored.

I cringe when I see "Buteshire", - there is not and never has been such a Scottish jurisdiction, - the Isle of Bute, or in civil terms, the County of Bute, - but Buteshire,?, - never, apart, perhaps from that short period in the 1800s when everything English took precedence in Scotland.......

Simllarly with "Argyllshire", - it disnae exist, folks, - for most of Scottish history it's been the ancient area known as Argyll, latterly, for several centuries, the Sheriffdom of Argyll, and, for around the last 150 years or so, the civil county of Argyll........... but "Argyllshire" ?? ... Argghhhhh.......

The Irish have it to rights when they refuse to use the -shire concept, instead referring to say, Down, as Co. Down.

And that's the way that it should be in Scottish terms, - forget the English concept of "shire", - my home county, for too long referred to as Ayrshire, is, in fact, the Scottish county of Ayr, - which can confuse researchers as, in the records, it's not always obvious if a reference to "Ayr" means the County of Ayr, or the Royal Burgh of Ayr.........

David

[sporran]

Hello Dennis,


I grew up near Berwick-on-Tweed. Eyemouth is a village about 6 miles north, and it has always been in Scotland. It has a natural sheltered bay from where the River Eye meets the sea and has a long tradition of fishing and maritime activities. There is information and photographs at:
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/e ... /eyemouth/ .


Regards,

John

m

[Dennis]

For the life of me I can't figure out where I got the parents as having been born in: EYEMOUTH Berwickshire England. I thought I had seen it on IGI, but I guess not.

Here's more confusing info:)


http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/berwick.htm


dennis

m

[AndrewP]

Here's more confusing info:) http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/berwick.htm

Hi Dennis,

The Alan Godfrey maps site gives it pretty much as it is/was. Berwick was in Scotland, giving rise to the county town of Berwickshire. The border was changed (presumably fought over - I don't know for sure) and Berwick (Berwick upon Tweed) ended out on the English side of the border, but the Scottish county retained its title of Berwickshire.

There is/was a theory that Berwick remained at war with Russia, as after some war with Russia, England settled their peace first, then Berwick was transferred to England, and Scotland subsequently made peace with Russia. Therefore Berwick was never in a land at the time peace was made with Russia. Fact or fiction, I am not sure, but an interesting theory.

One way or another, Eyemouth was always in Berwickshire, Scotland.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[JustJean]

Dennis

Very often, when a Scottish placename is referenced, the "shire" is omitted from the county name.

Those south of the border would like us to believe that this should be expressed as "Berwickshire" but the reality is that there have never been English type "shires" in Scotland, apart from a few decades in the 1800s when the English manner of taking the county town and combining it with shire to give the county was used, - hence the anathemas of Linlithgowshire instead of West Lothian, Edinburghshire:Midlothian, Haddingtonshire:East Lothian, Forfarshire:Angus, and 1 or 2 others...........

Then, thanks to the Guid Lord, guid Scots sense prevailed and the traditional Scots county names were restored.

I cringe when I see "Buteshire", - there is not and never has been such a Scottish jurisdiction, - the Isle of Bute, or in civil terms, the County of Bute, - but Buteshire,?, - never, apart, perhaps from that short period in the 1800s when everything English took precedence in Scotland.......

Simllarly with "Argyllshire", - it disnae exist, folks, - for most of Scottish history it's been the ancient area known as Argyll, latterly, for several centuries, the Sheriffdom of Argyll, and, for around the last 150 years or so, the civil county of Argyll........... but "Argyllshire" ?? ... Argghhhhh.......

The Irish have it to rights when they refuse to use the -shire concept, instead referring to say, Down, as Co. Down.

And that's the way that it should be in Scottish terms, - forget the English concept of "shire", - my home county, for too long referred to as Ayrshire, is, in fact, the Scottish county of Ayr, - which can confuse researchers as, in the records, it's not always obvious if a reference to "Ayr" means the County of Ayr, or the Royal Burgh of Ayr.........

David

Forgive me Dennis for commenting in your thread here....but I'd just like to say thank you to David for his very sincere and perfectly sensible commentary about the lack of "shires" in Scotland. I dinnae know this ! But then how could I? But I do now.....and I willnae forget it I'm just picturing all those Family Tree entries I should change that now say Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland.....

Best wishes
Jean

[DavidWW]

Forgive me Dennis for commenting in your thread here....but I'd just like to say thank you to David for his very sincere and perfectly sensible commentary about the lack of "shires" in Scotland. I dinnae know this ! But then how could I? But I do now.....and I willnae forget it I'm just picturing all those Family Tree entries I should change that now say Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland.....

Best wishes
Jean

No need to change them, as the usage is now well established.... unless of course, you want to ignore altogether the relatively modern jurisdiction of Ayrshire, and use instead the much older names for what became Ayrshire, of Cunningham, Kyle and Carrick; and then there's the Stewarty of Ayr................

David

[Andy]

Hi Dennis,

There are submitted entries for a sister of one of your GreatGreat? Grandfather's given as Eyemouth Berwick, England.

Margaret Ellen, Margaret Jane (can't remember the surname .. was it Anderson? (I remember the mother remarried a BRUCE).

[Dennis]

Andy,

Its on Helen Crawford Anderson's DC that her 2nd husband was John Bruce. Where did you see the ones born in Eyemouth, Berwickshire, England, as I've been unable to re-locate that as the birthplace for both of William Crawford Anderson's parents ( Charles Anderson & Helen Crawford ).


dennis