oakshaw street Paisley.....

[maggie]

Hello
i am looking for information on Oakshaw street Paisley
i have a death at number 13 in 1874 and a wedding at number 16 in 1927
the death at number 13 would have been a "honorary"grandma to the bride meaning she was the grandma of her half siblings .(i'm confusing myself here now )anyhow i have had a google search and come up with Oakshaw street church /Trinity church so can anyone tell me how the church fits into the street numbers and possible reasons why a marriage would be at number 16 if there was a church on the door step in 1927 after publication according to the forms of the established church of Scotland and it was the minister of the high parish Paisley that married them would number 16 have been a "home" wedding and cheaper than having it in the church although neither the bride or groom lived in Oakshaw street and does Oakshaw/trinity church have published MI's as i can see a beautifull picture of it on the web with lots of gravestones.kind regards maggie

[Jack]

Hi Maggie,
Paisley re-numbered many of its streets in 1923 in a major shake-up; the numbers were a mess.
They also gave numbers to all buidings, and houses that just had names.

Many, but not all, street numbers started at the left, 1,2,3,4 etc went to the end, crossed over,
and came back to the beginning on the right.
In most cases all the streets changed to "odd on the left - even on the right".
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The 1923 list doesn't have a 13; can only presume it had disappeared by then.
15 is the first odd number mentioned - changed to 29.
44 was changed to 18.
The High Church Manse was given the number 16 - so now you know where the marriage took place!
I'd think 13 would've been near beginning of the left side of Oakshaw St going up from School Wynd.

Hope you can understand this - told you it was a mess.
Jack
ps, Oakshaw Trinity was formerly known as the High Kirk.

[IanS]

Hi Jack, Sorry for butting in, but does that mean 6 George St(1860's), would be abt 11 George St, post 1923? I've viewed 6 George St, but cannot remember for the life of me what was on the other side of the road- tenement buildings?

[DavidWW]

Maggie

Until comparatively recently it was customary for the wedding ceremony to take place at the home of the bride, or a suitably located public hall where the pairty could take place, or the manse. But up until the 20th century full church weddings of the sort that we are familiar with today were unusual outside the upper classes and aristocracy.

David

[maggie]

Hello Jack&David
thankyou for your replys
Jack i think i understand the numbers game
it's a pity that number 13 hasn't survived the passage of time
that's where 3xgreat granny ended her day's .
So number 16 was the manse the minister/ reverand's/vicars wife must of had to have the patience of a Saint to have all those bride&grooms in & out of her "home".Which brings me to the question of register books would there have been different copies ie one kept in the actual church and one in the manse or would the minister/reverand/vicar carried the one copy around with him?
thankyou both once again
kind regards maggie

[DavidWW]

Hello Jack&David
thankyou for your replys
Jack i think i understand the numbers game
it's a pity that number 13 hasn't survived the passage of time
that's where 3xgreat granny ended her day's .
So number 16 was the manse the minister/ reverand's/vicars wife must of had to have the patience of a Saint to have all those bride&grooms in & out of her "home".Which brings me to the question of register books would there have been different copies ie one kept in the actual church and one in the manse or would the minister/reverand/vicar carried the one copy around with him?
thankyou both once again
kind regards maggie

After the calling of the banns the registrar, on presentation to him of a certificate of the same, would have issued the couple with the Marriage Schedule, for the meenister to sign, said schedule then being returned to the registrar within 3 days, from which he "engrossed" - guid auld Scots word that - the details from the schedule into the Register of Marriages !

Only in 1940 did marriage in Scotland become possible at the registrar's office.

David

[maggie]

Hello David
thankyou for that information
"meenister" i take it that too is a guid auld scottish word
i now understand i just had visions of the meenister luggin a great heavy book around with him .
thanks once again David
kind regards maggie

[Jack]

Hi Ian,
George Street was a bit of a mess, what with some ½ nos, duplicate nos (eg 167 & 168),
and some buildings not even having a number - some gaps in the nos. too.
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Starting on LH side of George St going west from the corner with Causeyside Street.
1 remained 1
2 became 3
3 became 5
3½ became 7
4 became 9
5 became 11
6 became 13
- and so on to -
84 became 193 (now last no. on LH side)

- cross over to right side of street -

85 became 190 (now last no. on RH side)
- and so on back to beginning of the RH side of George St at the other corner with Causeyside St.
166 became 10
167 became 8
167 became 6
168 became 4
168 became 2
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So the 6 you viewed was originally a 167.... across from it are new houses; the old originals are, alas, now all gone.
I did that myself before i knew of the number changes. Gazing at 78 where many of my own lived & died,
then finding out later that i should've been wistfuly looking at 175.... which was a 100yds away on the other side of the street.
Jack
ps, the moral i suppose being that if you have an address in Paisley for great granny before 1923,
and intend to visit it, then best call at the Reference Library first to check if the no. has changed.
Otherwise you might just end up staring at the wrong place altogether....

[nancy]

Hi Jack,i was brought up at 126 George St,a row of two storey tenements between Castle St and Queen St,same one as my granny had lived in.She had applied to poor law in 1916 but number was down as 115 George St.Would that be about right Jack? Cheers Nancy.

[IanS]

Thanks Jack,

So my No. 6 is now No. 13. I'm going up in a couple of weeks to the library, so I'll collect the addresses I need to enquire about. I also thought I'd viewed nearby 11 George Place-- that one should be interesting.

Thanks again, IanS