John Innes & Jane Grant.. William Mcrae & Elizabeth

[SarahND]

I tried saying 'Drose' in a really strong accent, and couldn't think of what might have sounded like.

Must have entertained everyone else in the Archives

I thought of Montrose too, but couldn't see any likely births in either place

Regards,
Sarah

[nelmit]

This is driving me crazy - ma hoose is like a midden!!!!!

Sarah,

I wonder if Ann died and Mary is his second wife (with Isabella being his third ).

There is a death of an Ann Innes in 1868 age 28 at Old Machar, Aberdeen - where Alexander junior was born but I tried McRae as a second surname and came up with nothing. No credits to check but I think this might be worth a look.

Still doesn't help to find Alexander in 1861 or before mind you.

Regards,
Annette

[nelmit]

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Even though 6 of Alexander and Ann's children had the same names of 6 of the 10 children that this particular John and Jean had......

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Cheers James

Hello James,

You say 6 of Alexander and Anne's children. I can see four born in Scotland to this couple (the last being 1868) and according to the 1871 & 1881 census Isabella was born in Scotland about 1870. Do you know for a fact Ann McRae was her mother?

regards,
Annette

[SarahND]

Hello Annette

This is driving me crazy - ma hoose is like a midden!!!!!

Just as well you can't see mine

There is also an Ann Innes who died 3rd quarter 1878 in Sunderland District, Durham, Tyne & Wear. Alexander married Isabella Jordan 4th quarter 1881 in Newcastle Upon Tyne, which is interesting because she is already in his house being called his "wife" for the 1881 census, which surely was earlier in the year?

Regards,
Sarah

[JamesS]

[quote="SarahND"][quote="Archiver"] I tried saying 'Drose' in a really strong accent, and couldn't think of what might have sounded like.[/quote]
Must have entertained everyone else in the Archives

I thought of Montrose too, but couldn't see any likely births in either place

Regards,
Sarah[/quote]


Hello Sarah

Many many thanks for taking the time time to help me.... its appreciated!!..

Alexander and Ann/"Mary" had the following children......

Jane Ann Innes........Birth 28 Feb 1864 Rayne, Aberdeen

Barbara Innes.........Birth 31 Jul 1865 Newhills, Aberdeen

Jemima Innes..........Birth 22 Dec 1866 Old Machar, Aberdeen

Alexander Innes.......Birth: 12 Aug 1868 Old Machar, Aberdeen

Isabella Innes..........Birth:... Hebburn Quay Durham or Aberdeen

(In the 1871 Census its recorded that she was born in Hebburn Quay, Durham.....then in the 1881 census she is recorded as being born in Aberdeen...... She married Samuel Fletcher in June 1894 (this is the line that I descend)...and in the 1901 census she is recorded as being born in Scotland.

John G Innes............Birth 4Q 1871 in South Shields.. not Sunderland

Robert Innes............Birth: Dec 1873 Sunderland

Margaret ................Birth: 16 May 1875 Sunderland

Benjamin................Birth: 18 Mar 1877 Sunderland

When I got Benjamin Innes birth certificate I expected to find the mother listed as Mary and not Ann....Alexander the father is recorded as a joiner....... so I then got Margaret Innes birth cert to double check to see if the mother name was recorded as Mary only to find out again that the name Ann McRae is recorded..... Alexander is recorded as a Joiner..... plus the birth records on the LDS site match the the births of the old siblings in Scotland for this particular couple....

On Alexander and Ann marriage cert Ann is only recorded as Ann.... there is no middle name of Mary!!!......

Also on the marriage cert of Samuel Fletcher and Isabella Innes ..... her father is recorded as Alexander... Joiner.....

Also on the 1901 census Samuel and Isabella Fletcher are with 4 of their 6 children...... also in the home is Benjamin Innes brother aged 23 ..... so this match with Isabella brother from the other census returns....

Alexander and Ann had their last child Benjamin in 1877...... however, by the 1881 census Alexander Innes has a new wife Isabella born abt 1851 in Pidlingtown, Durham, England...... there are also 2 step daughters.... Margaret J Gordon born 1873...and Elizabeth Gordon born 1878.......

I have not found a marriage of Alexander and Isabella.... is there was a marriage between this couple it must have been after the last child of Ann in 1877 ...... and Isabella second child in 1878..... yet before the 1881 census....

Now to the point of the 1881 census and the recorded birth place of Alexander Innes in.... "Drose"..... I did find the place of "Dores"..... it could be his birth place as the Marriage Cert only states "usual residence - Macduff"......

There is another place that I found with a completely different spelling.... We have to take into account Alexander's accent when he spoke to the enumerator...... plus the enumerator probably wrote what he thought he heard without actually asking Alexander the correct spelling...... all this being said..... there is the following place... Durris, Banchory, Aberdeenshire.

I think this may be the possible birth place of Alexander..... partly because
the birth place of his daughter Jane A was in Rayne Aberdeen...which is quite a south of Macduff..... then daughter Barbara was born in Newhills, Aberdeen... which is very close to the left of Durris...and Newhills is part of Banchory...... and finally because children Jemima and Alexander were born in Old Macher which is not too far from Durris...

Sarah what is your opinion on this?

Cheers James

[JamesS]

This is driving me crazy - ma hoose is like a midden!!!!!

Sarah,

I wonder if Ann died and Mary is his second wife (with Isabella being his third ).

There is a death of an Ann Innes in 1868 age 28 at Old Machar, Aberdeen - where Alexander junior was born but I tried McRae as a second surname and came up with nothing. No credits to check but I think this might be worth a look.

Still doesn't help to find Alexander in 1861 or before mind you.

Regards,
Annette

Hello Annette

Thanks for the continued help.... Ann McRae is recorded on the birth certificates of the last 3 children........ Th only birth records for Alex & Ann children that I do not have is for Isabella Innes born 1869..... one census states she was born in Hebburn Quay, Durham...... and the other census states she was born in Aberdeen and after she married it just states Scotland in the 1901 census when she is married to Samuel Fletcher born 1873 in Sunderland Durham. I have not bought the birth cert for son John G Innes born in the 4Q in 1871.... but I can not see why it would state anything other than Ann McRae.

Cheers James

[JamesS]

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Even though 6 of Alexander and Ann's children had the same names of 6 of the 10 children that this particular John and Jean had......

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Cheers James

Hello James,

You say 6 of Alexander and Anne's children. I can see four born in Scotland to this couple (the last being 1868) and according to the 1871 & 1881 census Isabella was born in Scotland about 1870. Do you know for a fact Ann McRae was her mother?

regards,
Annette

Hello Annette

Please take a look at another message that I have added which shows all of Alexander Innes and Ann McRae children.....

Cheers James

[SarahND]

there is the following place... Durris, Banchory, Aberdeenshire.

I think this may be the possible birth place of Alexander..... partly because
the birth place of his daughter Jane A was in Rayne Aberdeen...which is quite a south of Macduff..... then daughter Barbara was born in Newhills, Aberdeen... which is very close to the left of Durris...and Newhills is part of Banchory...... and finally because children Jemima and Alexander were born in Old Macher which is not too far from Durris...

Sarah what is your opinion on this?

I like it! I don't have Archiver's inside knowledge of the Aberdeen pronunciation, although I did transcribe hours of recordings of it about 25 years ago The vowel would probably be different, but who knows how someone from Durham would hear it? Never underestimate the human capacity to mis-hear things

That said, I still don't see any obvious Alexanders born in Durris although I've been muttering various pronunciations of it for the past 15 minutes (it's all right, my family is used to this!)

Regards,
Sarah

[Archiver]

Of course, Durris is definitely another option! Can't believe I didn't think of that, considering I lived in Banchory and spent quite a lot of time in Durris!