McFaull Family Tree
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Elwyn 1
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Re: McFaull Family Tree
I can confirm that the marriage of Daniel M’Faull & Helen Lindsay M’Farlane is listed in the Irish statutory marriage records. It was registered in Banbridge, Co Down in Jan – Mar 1886,Volume 1, page 223. You can obtain a photocopy of the marriage cert for €4 from GRO Roscommon, provided you quote the full references given above and they don’t have to do any searching. http://www.groireland.ie/
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MLMacKay
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Re: McFaull Family Tree
Hi again Lisa,
Thank you for the additional information! It sent me searching, and I had some luck. Here is what know: First, your information corresponds with mine. However, there is more. Daniel McFaulls and Sarah Jamieson actually had FOUR children: Joseph Hutton McFaull born 12 Mar 1879 in Govan Church, Charles McFaull born 30 May 1881 in Kinning Park, Robert McFaull born 30 Jul 1882 also in Kinning Park (as you know), and Catherine Kelly McFaull born 31 May 1885 in Denniston (all in Glasgow, Scotland). I have seen the birth records, so I know this is accurate. Whatever happened to Robert's three siblings, I don't know yet. (By the way, did you know Sarah had four children from her first marriage? I can give you their names and approximate birth dates if you want / need them.) Then Daniel married Helen. Robert McFarlane was born shortly after their marriage on 24 Apr 1886 in Glasgow (I still haven't gotten to see a copy of his birth record, so I still can't explain the surname). There followed James McFaulds (note the spelling difference - it shows on his birth record - perhaps some clerical error???) born on 7 Apr 1888 in Kinning Park, and David McFaulds (my great-grandfather; again - note the spelling! Like James, it was spelled this way on his birth record.) born on 12 Dec 1891 also in Kinning Park. The 1891 census would have been done earlier in the year, which explains why David wouldn't have appeared there. Following their parents' deaths, Robert McFarlane, James and David were sent to Quarriers, as I mentioned, and from there Robert joined the Navy in May 1902, and James and David were sent to Canada in 1905 and 1908, respectively. Jimmy (as he was known in our family) married in 1910, but had no children. David also married in 1910, and had three children, one of whom was my grandmother. Jimmy and David remained in contact with each other, as I have mentioned, but they never found out about the remainder of their family. My great-grandfather, David, was so young, that I don't think he really remembered much, but I heard that Jimmy had tried to trace the family, to no avail.
So there we are! I am still searching...I suspect that Daniel and Mary McBain may have had more than the two children, but I haven't been able to verify that yet. I'm still fairly new to famiy researching, so it is sort of a process, as I'm sure you are aware. I am so happy to have made contact with you!
Hope to hear from you again soon,
Melissa.
PS - I agree with you...I think the key to finding James and Eliza is Daniel's choice to marry Helen in Ireland - perhaps he was returning to his hometown? I haven't had the chance to look into the Irish records much yet, but I did find a website called Roots Ireland that I'm going to try when I can. It works in a similar way to Scotlands People, so hopefully I'll be able to dig some information up there. Have you tried it?
Thank you for the additional information! It sent me searching, and I had some luck. Here is what know: First, your information corresponds with mine. However, there is more. Daniel McFaulls and Sarah Jamieson actually had FOUR children: Joseph Hutton McFaull born 12 Mar 1879 in Govan Church, Charles McFaull born 30 May 1881 in Kinning Park, Robert McFaull born 30 Jul 1882 also in Kinning Park (as you know), and Catherine Kelly McFaull born 31 May 1885 in Denniston (all in Glasgow, Scotland). I have seen the birth records, so I know this is accurate. Whatever happened to Robert's three siblings, I don't know yet. (By the way, did you know Sarah had four children from her first marriage? I can give you their names and approximate birth dates if you want / need them.) Then Daniel married Helen. Robert McFarlane was born shortly after their marriage on 24 Apr 1886 in Glasgow (I still haven't gotten to see a copy of his birth record, so I still can't explain the surname). There followed James McFaulds (note the spelling difference - it shows on his birth record - perhaps some clerical error???) born on 7 Apr 1888 in Kinning Park, and David McFaulds (my great-grandfather; again - note the spelling! Like James, it was spelled this way on his birth record.) born on 12 Dec 1891 also in Kinning Park. The 1891 census would have been done earlier in the year, which explains why David wouldn't have appeared there. Following their parents' deaths, Robert McFarlane, James and David were sent to Quarriers, as I mentioned, and from there Robert joined the Navy in May 1902, and James and David were sent to Canada in 1905 and 1908, respectively. Jimmy (as he was known in our family) married in 1910, but had no children. David also married in 1910, and had three children, one of whom was my grandmother. Jimmy and David remained in contact with each other, as I have mentioned, but they never found out about the remainder of their family. My great-grandfather, David, was so young, that I don't think he really remembered much, but I heard that Jimmy had tried to trace the family, to no avail.
So there we are! I am still searching...I suspect that Daniel and Mary McBain may have had more than the two children, but I haven't been able to verify that yet. I'm still fairly new to famiy researching, so it is sort of a process, as I'm sure you are aware. I am so happy to have made contact with you!
Hope to hear from you again soon,
Melissa.
PS - I agree with you...I think the key to finding James and Eliza is Daniel's choice to marry Helen in Ireland - perhaps he was returning to his hometown? I haven't had the chance to look into the Irish records much yet, but I did find a website called Roots Ireland that I'm going to try when I can. It works in a similar way to Scotlands People, so hopefully I'll be able to dig some information up there. Have you tried it?
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lmcfaull
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Re: McFaull Family Tree
Dear Melissa
You have done amazingly finding out so much information - I did not do nearly so well. It was particularly interesting to hear of Daniel and Sarah's other children- I never found any of these records. Please could you tell me how you found them???? as if a website may be able to use myself. Still a little confused about Robert as seems strange that they would call two children by the same name, unless perhaps if one died which obviously the elder Robert did'nt. Also our Robert was also a sailor- although he died in the war as a soldier - have you seen a birth record of a Robert born to Daniel and Helen??? or could there be just one Robert and the age of Robert just be wrong on the 1891 census???? I am sure you are probably right but just seems a bit strange to have two children with same name.
Thank you for the offer to give me the information about Sarah's children - that would be interesting as would be Roberts half siblings. It is very kind of you to share all your information with me.
I have not done so much on the McFaull family tree recently as kind of could get no further but you have definately made me enthusiastic to find out more again!!!
I think in the past I have tried irish geneology websites but not had much luck. It has been so difficult to find Eliza and James and would so love to as would then also know the next generation as their parents names would be on any documentation.
After receiving your contact I did "google" David McFaulds and found a link to a Michelle Natals family tree maker page which mentioned him and says that David was the best candy maker in Brockville. Do you know this person??? are they are relative???? and are they talking about your great grandfather????
Thank you once again Melissa. Can I ask how old you are??? I assume as David and Robert were brothers that you are my husbands generation. My husband and I are both 40!!!
Kindest Regards
Lisa
You have done amazingly finding out so much information - I did not do nearly so well. It was particularly interesting to hear of Daniel and Sarah's other children- I never found any of these records. Please could you tell me how you found them???? as if a website may be able to use myself. Still a little confused about Robert as seems strange that they would call two children by the same name, unless perhaps if one died which obviously the elder Robert did'nt. Also our Robert was also a sailor- although he died in the war as a soldier - have you seen a birth record of a Robert born to Daniel and Helen??? or could there be just one Robert and the age of Robert just be wrong on the 1891 census???? I am sure you are probably right but just seems a bit strange to have two children with same name.
Thank you for the offer to give me the information about Sarah's children - that would be interesting as would be Roberts half siblings. It is very kind of you to share all your information with me.
I have not done so much on the McFaull family tree recently as kind of could get no further but you have definately made me enthusiastic to find out more again!!!
I think in the past I have tried irish geneology websites but not had much luck. It has been so difficult to find Eliza and James and would so love to as would then also know the next generation as their parents names would be on any documentation.
After receiving your contact I did "google" David McFaulds and found a link to a Michelle Natals family tree maker page which mentioned him and says that David was the best candy maker in Brockville. Do you know this person??? are they are relative???? and are they talking about your great grandfather????
Thank you once again Melissa. Can I ask how old you are??? I assume as David and Robert were brothers that you are my husbands generation. My husband and I are both 40!!!
Kindest Regards
Lisa
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lmcfaull
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Re: McFaull Family Tree
Hi again Melissa
After I posted my last reply, I went back and looked at the 1891 census as I have a copy. It states Daniel and Helen living at the address and then a son Daniel (from Daniels marriage to Mary as is aged 18), - there is no Eliza as she married in 1888 so presumably living with her husband. The there is Robert (as I said I belived this to be Robert from Daniels marriage to Sarah as this only record I found of their children although it states him as aged 5 whereas he actually 9!! then there was James aged 3!!!
If there is a second Robert what I was wondering was as Sarah had died where was the eldest Robert living ??? and also where were the other children of Daniel and Sarah????
I think that is why I assumed that the children stated on the census were all the children Daniel had - obviously excluding Eliza who had left home. I don't suppose you know what happened to all of Daniel and Sarahs children after Sarah death at all????
You have really fuelled my interest in the family tree research again so have been looking through all the paperwork I have and obviously it has raised this question.
Kindest Regards
Lisa
After I posted my last reply, I went back and looked at the 1891 census as I have a copy. It states Daniel and Helen living at the address and then a son Daniel (from Daniels marriage to Mary as is aged 18), - there is no Eliza as she married in 1888 so presumably living with her husband. The there is Robert (as I said I belived this to be Robert from Daniels marriage to Sarah as this only record I found of their children although it states him as aged 5 whereas he actually 9!! then there was James aged 3!!!
If there is a second Robert what I was wondering was as Sarah had died where was the eldest Robert living ??? and also where were the other children of Daniel and Sarah????
I think that is why I assumed that the children stated on the census were all the children Daniel had - obviously excluding Eliza who had left home. I don't suppose you know what happened to all of Daniel and Sarahs children after Sarah death at all????
You have really fuelled my interest in the family tree research again so have been looking through all the paperwork I have and obviously it has raised this question.
Kindest Regards
Lisa
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MLMacKay
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Re: McFaull Family Tree
Hi Lisa,
Here is what I have found out:
Sadly, two of Daniel and Sarah's children, Joseph Hutton McFaull and Catherine Kelly McFaull, passed away within a year of their births. I suspect Charles did as well, but I haven't been able to verify that yet.
Sarah's children with her first husband, William McCrindle, a stonemason, were: William McCrindle, born about 1864; James McCrindle, born about 1868; Sarah Paterson McCrindle, born about 1870; and (another!) James McCrindle, born about 1873. Yes, there were definitely two James McCrindles, as they both appear in the 1881 Scotland census, living with Daniel and Sarah "Faulds". All four of the McCrindle siblings were listed as being "bakers". I found out that the daughter Sarah married a Samuel Irvine on the 29 Dec 1894, with whom she had a daughter named Mary Ann Irvine in about 1898. The Irvines were living in Glasgow Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland at the time of the 1901 Scotland census. I haven't been able to find anything else on the McCrindle siblings as yet.
In answer to your question, I do all of my research on the internet, and have found that ancestry.ca and Scotland's People (for my Scottish ancestors) have been the most helpful to me. The website for Scotland's People is: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Scotland's People works on a credit system (you purchase credits, and then use them to look at individual records), and can get a little expensive, but it really is a goldmine of information for Scottish records. It's best if you know exactly what you are looking for to avoid wasting your credits, but sometimes if you put in a surname, a date range and then narrow it down to a particular county, you can find information that you are looking for. I still can't track down Robert McFarlane's birth record! The information I have on his date and place of birth came from the records I received from the orphanage. Hopefully I will be able to find it eventually!
Yes, I know who Michelle is, although I haven't met her in person. She is my grandmother's grand-niece (her grandfather was my grandmother's brother). Unfortunately, she lives in the States and on the other side of the continent, so I have never been able to visit her, although I have met her mother. Yes, the David she is talking about was my great-grandfather! He was a candymaker in Brockville, Ontario, Canada, which is where he lived for most of his life after he came to Canada.
Now, I have a question for you: You mentioned in your last post that Eliza Wallace McFaull married in 1888. Where did you find this information? And do you know the name of her husband or where they married? I would appreciate if you could help me fill in this blank!
Take care,
Melissa.
PS - I am 34 years old.
Here is what I have found out:
Sadly, two of Daniel and Sarah's children, Joseph Hutton McFaull and Catherine Kelly McFaull, passed away within a year of their births. I suspect Charles did as well, but I haven't been able to verify that yet.
Sarah's children with her first husband, William McCrindle, a stonemason, were: William McCrindle, born about 1864; James McCrindle, born about 1868; Sarah Paterson McCrindle, born about 1870; and (another!) James McCrindle, born about 1873. Yes, there were definitely two James McCrindles, as they both appear in the 1881 Scotland census, living with Daniel and Sarah "Faulds". All four of the McCrindle siblings were listed as being "bakers". I found out that the daughter Sarah married a Samuel Irvine on the 29 Dec 1894, with whom she had a daughter named Mary Ann Irvine in about 1898. The Irvines were living in Glasgow Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland at the time of the 1901 Scotland census. I haven't been able to find anything else on the McCrindle siblings as yet.
In answer to your question, I do all of my research on the internet, and have found that ancestry.ca and Scotland's People (for my Scottish ancestors) have been the most helpful to me. The website for Scotland's People is: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Scotland's People works on a credit system (you purchase credits, and then use them to look at individual records), and can get a little expensive, but it really is a goldmine of information for Scottish records. It's best if you know exactly what you are looking for to avoid wasting your credits, but sometimes if you put in a surname, a date range and then narrow it down to a particular county, you can find information that you are looking for. I still can't track down Robert McFarlane's birth record! The information I have on his date and place of birth came from the records I received from the orphanage. Hopefully I will be able to find it eventually!
Yes, I know who Michelle is, although I haven't met her in person. She is my grandmother's grand-niece (her grandfather was my grandmother's brother). Unfortunately, she lives in the States and on the other side of the continent, so I have never been able to visit her, although I have met her mother. Yes, the David she is talking about was my great-grandfather! He was a candymaker in Brockville, Ontario, Canada, which is where he lived for most of his life after he came to Canada.
Now, I have a question for you: You mentioned in your last post that Eliza Wallace McFaull married in 1888. Where did you find this information? And do you know the name of her husband or where they married? I would appreciate if you could help me fill in this blank!
Take care,
Melissa.
PS - I am 34 years old.
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lmcfaull
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Re: McFaull Family Tree
Dear Melissa
Thankyou once again for all the information you have given me - you have helped me so much and I really do appreciate it.
With Regards to Eliza - I got a few copies of birth etc certificates a few years ago - I think through a scottish website - perhaps the one you mentioned and got Eliza's marriage certificate. She married on the 6th July 1888 in Scotland- She married a James Colvin. It states his profession as a marine stoker and hers as a bolt screwer!!!. It is definately our Eliza as it states her parents as Daniel McFaull - a quay labourer and Mary McFaull (McBain) deceased.
Hope this helps. I do have some certificates- Daniels death, Marys death, Sarahs death. Daniels marriage to Mary and Sarah. Eliza, Daniel and Roberts births so if you want any information from these please ask.
I will try and do some further research when I can over the next few weeks and will of course be in touch if I find anything.
Thanks again Melissa.
Kind regards
Lisa
ps Do you know if Michelle has got any information that we have not got??? Do you know if she managed to trace James and Eliza at all????
Thankyou once again for all the information you have given me - you have helped me so much and I really do appreciate it.
With Regards to Eliza - I got a few copies of birth etc certificates a few years ago - I think through a scottish website - perhaps the one you mentioned and got Eliza's marriage certificate. She married on the 6th July 1888 in Scotland- She married a James Colvin. It states his profession as a marine stoker and hers as a bolt screwer!!!. It is definately our Eliza as it states her parents as Daniel McFaull - a quay labourer and Mary McFaull (McBain) deceased.
Hope this helps. I do have some certificates- Daniels death, Marys death, Sarahs death. Daniels marriage to Mary and Sarah. Eliza, Daniel and Roberts births so if you want any information from these please ask.
I will try and do some further research when I can over the next few weeks and will of course be in touch if I find anything.
Thanks again Melissa.
Kind regards
Lisa
ps Do you know if Michelle has got any information that we have not got??? Do you know if she managed to trace James and Eliza at all????
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lmcfaull
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Re: McFaull Family Tree
Dear Melissa
Hi again. As you have inspired me to do some more research - I brought some credits on the scotlands people website and found out the following. Charles McFaull did die in the same year he was born and according to website Robert McFarlane was actually registered at birth as Robert McFarlan McFaulds - perhaps to diferentiate between the elder Robert. Hope this helps. I will keep on searching.
Best Wishes
Lisa
Hi again. As you have inspired me to do some more research - I brought some credits on the scotlands people website and found out the following. Charles McFaull did die in the same year he was born and according to website Robert McFarlane was actually registered at birth as Robert McFarlan McFaulds - perhaps to diferentiate between the elder Robert. Hope this helps. I will keep on searching.
Best Wishes
Lisa
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MLMacKay
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Re: McFaull Family Tree
Hi Lisa,
Thank you for the additional information - it was really helpful.
I don't know what information Michelle has...maybe I'll try to contact her and ask.
If I find out anything, I'll let you know! In the meantime, the search goes on...
Talk to you soon,
Melissa.
Thank you for the additional information - it was really helpful.
I don't know what information Michelle has...maybe I'll try to contact her and ask.
If I find out anything, I'll let you know! In the meantime, the search goes on...
Talk to you soon,
Melissa.
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lmcfaull
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Re: McFaull Family Tree
Hi Melissa
I did have another look last night - am getting quite into this family tree thing!!! and found a little bit more.
I found the family in the 1881 census but the spelling of the surname has changed again and is now Faulds. It is at the time when Daniel was married to Sarah and is definately right as they have the "McCrindle" step children living with them. The faulds living there are Daniel - his son Daniel, daughter Eliza and Sarah.
I may have also found them on 1871 census as right ages and just Daniel and Mary which would be right at the time - again spelling is Faulds.
There is also a Daniel Faulds on the 1861 census of right age but he just listed as a scholar and no James and Eliza but is named as a brother in law so not living with any other Faulds. It may be possible he sent to Scotland to study on his own???? His age is listed as 11 which is about right.
I have tried to concentrate on Faulds now in Ireland but no luck finding James and Eliza so far or Daniels birth certificate. Will keep trying.
Kindest Regards
Lisa
I did have another look last night - am getting quite into this family tree thing!!! and found a little bit more.
I found the family in the 1881 census but the spelling of the surname has changed again and is now Faulds. It is at the time when Daniel was married to Sarah and is definately right as they have the "McCrindle" step children living with them. The faulds living there are Daniel - his son Daniel, daughter Eliza and Sarah.
I may have also found them on 1871 census as right ages and just Daniel and Mary which would be right at the time - again spelling is Faulds.
There is also a Daniel Faulds on the 1861 census of right age but he just listed as a scholar and no James and Eliza but is named as a brother in law so not living with any other Faulds. It may be possible he sent to Scotland to study on his own???? His age is listed as 11 which is about right.
I have tried to concentrate on Faulds now in Ireland but no luck finding James and Eliza so far or Daniels birth certificate. Will keep trying.
Kindest Regards
Lisa