John Darroch Dallas Fulton

[speleobat2]

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According to the tree she has posted on Ancestry, a lot of her family is from Ireland.

Just sent her a pm explaining what happened with the dual posts and to make sure she knows that you have to have the box checked on your profile page if you want the email notification of replies to a post.

Carol

[buny73]

Hi Carol, I wany to thank you all for your help. No I did not know about this marriage. It is a total surprise to me. maybe that has something to do with why he could never return to Scotland. Any idea where I can get this marriage record?

I will have to recheck the 1901 cnsus because I obviously missed this listing.

thanks again for all your help

PS I read the post about this message being doubled and I thought that I had posted a topic here and when I couldn't find it I posted another one. If it's possible, you can delete the other one. Yes alot of my mfamily is from Scotland on my Grandfather's side. My grandmother's family are from Ireland.

Hi Nicole and Sarah,

There is also this marriage on SP:

1920 FULTON JOHN MOWAT MCMANUS HELEN PLANTATION GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/20

I notice on Nicole's tree on Ancestry that she has him married to Lillian Gannon I think it was in the USA.

Nicole, did you know about this marriage to Helen McManus?

Carol

[buny73]

Hi, the marriage to Lillian Gannon was November 26, 1930 in Cleveland, Ohio. I can't find any info on when he came to America, so he could have come here while he was still married in Scotland. I will have to check into it.

Nicole

Hi Carol,
Helen Fulton, other surname Mcmanus died in 1930. When was the U.S. marriage?

Regards,
Sarah

[buny73]

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According to the tree she has posted on Ancestry, a lot of her family is from Ireland.

Just sent her a pm explaining what happened with the dual posts and to make sure she knows that you have to have the box checked on your profile page if you want the email notification of replies to a post.

Carol

I have checked my profile and I do have the box checked that allows email notifications for replies, but I am still not getting any notices. Am I doing something wrong?

Nicole

[SarahND]

Hi Nicole,
Have you checked in case they are going into your spam folder? Since you are a new member, your email program might not be used to us yet

All the best,
Sarah

[SarahND]

Any idea where I can get this marriage record?

Both the marriage record and Helen's death record should be downloadable from ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk for a fee. The births of the children are not available online, you would have to order them. The dates available to download online are:

Births up 1910
Marriages up to 1935
Deaths up to 1960

All the best,
Sarah

[speleobat2]

Hi all,

Glad we're all on the same page now!

Nicole, since you have Ancestry.com, check the immigration and passenger records. I was looking at them earlier and their are a number of trips over for John Fulton's. Of course, that isn't a rare name which makes the search more complicated, but several of them were for crew members. I wonder if John wasn't working on the passenger ships traveling between Scotland and the USA. I noticed that on Helen's death cert. he was listed as a "Ship's (something) helper". I couldn't quite read the middle word.

Helen died in August of 1930 and he didn't marry Lillian until November so legally he wasn't tied to her any longer. However, if he left a child or more behind then I can imagine Helen's family wouldn't have been happy about the situation! I don't know how the laws would work, but they may have been after him for child support. Also, there may only have been the one child, born in 1920 with the family names for the middle names. After I looked at the 1930 census, it occured to me that the second child I saw on SP was probably Neil's son instead of John's.

Don't hesitate to ask more questions!

Carol

[buny73]

Hi Carol and Sara, yes I always check my spam folder before I delete them just is case one was sent there by mistake..i didn't see any from here but I will make sure to check more carefully in the future.

I found that marriage listing on SP and it is my grandfather. I am in total shock. I find myself wondering if my father knew about this.mmalso I did a search for the 2 children that looked like they were born from this marriage and I only found 1 with the middle names Mowat McManus. The one I found-her name was Annie(I ordered the record should get it in a couple of weeks). Can you please tell me the name of the other one you found. The only other one I found that might belong to John Mowat Fulton and Helen McManus was a middle name of Darroch(I ordered that record also). I am beginning to think that my grandfather may have abandoned his wife and children in Scotland. I really hope not, but it's starting to sound like that. I just wish I could find some record of his immmigration to the US. I even checked under his brother's name. Any suggestions?

Nicole

[SarahND]

Hello Nicole,
Family history tends to bring out surprising things sometimes! What was John's occupation on the marriage certificate? Does it fit with him being the crew member on a ship as Carol suggested? The ship's documents I saw had him being some sort of engine greaser or the like.

Regards,
Sarah

[speleobat2]

Hi Nicole,

The second child was the boy with the middle name of Darroch, but if you look at the 1930 census, John's brother Neil had a son John D Fulton so maybe this one was his. You would have to get the cert. from SP.

You need to look at the larger picture here I think. John was only 20 and Helen 18 when they married and had Annie in 1920. They had spent their teenage years living through WWI which was a hideous war. Then John may have gone off to work on the ships which may have been the only work he could get. I don't condone abandoning children, but this marriage may not have been rock solid to start with and if he was at sea a lot he may not have had much of a relationship with his daughter. Young people don't have hindsight and by the time Helen died, John may have dug himself a hole so deep he didn't think he could get out of it and so thought that he couldn't go back to Scotland. Just one scenario! I think your father knew something about this, but maybe not all the facts.

I don't think that you will find him in the USA until maybe the 1940 census comes out in 2012. It was very easy to hide out over here because the country is so large and so many immigrants came over in a relatively short time period. My mother had a neighbor when she was growing up who left a family behind in Europe and married over here. His first wife's family sent a detective over to find the man, but he hid out in the logging camps until his friends gave the all clear that the detective had gone away.

Carol