McNairs - any suggestions?.....

[Russell]

Hi Winger

I meant to add that several lairs are held by 2 or more owners. Usually there is a family link to these joint holdings. Heirs would be given a certificate of ownership identifying quite clearly which lair this referred to. Ownership rights could be passed on to another family member by contacting the Church Officer and requesting that new papers be made out. Or the ownership papers could pass to another family member (often a daughter since the names on the stone change!) Again they could write to ask that the change be recorded.
An option could be to sell the lair outright to someone outwith the family. This sometimes happened if the original owners were moving away from the district and the only occupant might be a very young child.
Transactions like this happened occasionally but a written request had to be submitted to the Church Officer and the new owner had to agree to the conditions set down for all lair owners. A new certificate of ownership would then be supplied.

Sorry I didn't include this in my first post

Russell

[winger]

thank you soo much for emailing me the photo of the east church - it is amazing that I'm actually able to see the last resting place for at least some of my deid fowk!

thank you for all your subsequent info on the way that lairs work - I had no idea there was so much formality around this -
the three people in the grave are Hugh McNair (the boys John and Alex's uncle) Alex's daughter Ann, and Alex and John's neice Elizabeth. I have all the info on alex including his death - but nothing for John after 1877 which makes me think that John may have gone abroad which was why he signed the lair over to Alex. The problem still persists that I do not know who James was the naming pattern on their children would indicate that their father was James but I know from Hugh's death cert that it is Hugh - so I think there might be a missing brother who is older than John and Hugh - this would make sense of everything. thanks again!

[winger]

Hi, I am still on the trail of the above mcnairs and although I have resolved the lair information I thought it was worth looking at the rest of the information around this church in Kilbarchan.

I found James McNair listed for lair a177 and I also found another James mcnair listed for lair a177 - I wonder if anyone could chck the lair records for me I would love to try and find out who this mcnair is and see if he is related to the other mcnair's in the grave yard.

thanks in advance.

christine.

[winger]

The lair numbers should be A177 and A117.
thanks again

[Montrose Budie]

Hi all - the third boy and girl are usually called after the father and mother and then its open season!

Best wishes
Lesley

Not quite !!

The names of the eldest brothers of the father and mother very often were used!

mb

[Russell]

Hi Winger

I haven't been able to log on to TS for weeks so and have been failing in my Moderator duties. This will have to be a quickie as my eyes are closing.

Lair A117 is an odd entry with little helpful information
'Heirs of Thomas McNair'(name scored out) & replaced by 'James McNair'
'Kilbarchan' then 'January 2 1875' burial of 'Hugh McNair age 75, Bleacher, Goven. This name too was scored out.

I wonder if the clerk got his entry numbers wrong but never got round to correcting the entry for the later Lair.

The intriguing point is that Govan (Goven as per the entry) would include Whiteinch on the other side of the Clyde at that time.
The occupation is also significant showing the weaving connection.
Kilbarchan had extensive bleaching fields back then

I know this is not helping much but does appear to be relevant to your family somehow.

Russell

[winger]

thank you for checking this, as I explained in one of my other posts the information has been tremendously helpful and I really appreciate your
assistance. I will take this info and study it in more detail - it all helps, and you never know, maybe there is a thomas I am missing!
thanks again.

[Junma]

Hi. First time posting on this site. I have an Agnes McNair, married to a Hugh Gavin, 1848 Kilbarchan.
Looks likely to be related to the other McNairs in this parish. Anyone seen this name? Agnes was deceased by 1872 when her son Thomas Gavin married Ann Jane Rodgers at Dykehead, Shotts.

[nelmit]

Hi. First time posting on this site. I have an Agnes McNair, married to a Hugh Gavin, 1848 Kilbarchan.
Looks likely to be related to the other McNairs in this parish. Anyone seen this name? Agnes was deceased by 1872 when her son Thomas Gavin married Ann Jane Rodgers at Dykehead, Shotts.

Welcome to TS Junma,

Are you looking for something specific about the family? Have you found them on census records?

Is this them in 1851 at Kilbarchan -

Hugh Gaven 25
Agnes Gaven 25
Hugh Gaven 3
Thomas Gaven 1 born Kilbarchan

A likely Agnes in 1841 from FREECEN -

Piece: SCT1841/568 Place: Kilbarchan -Renfrewshire Enumeration District: 7
Civil Parish: Kilbarchan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 10 Page: 3
Address: New Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCNAIR Thomas M 40 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Renfrewshire
MCNAIR Ann F 40 Renfrewshire
MCNAIR Agness F 14 Renfrewshire
MCNAIR James M 12 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver Appren Renfrewshire
MCNAIR Thomas M 9 Renfrewshire
MCNAIR Janet F 5 Renfrewshire

and Thomas in 1881 at Shotts-

Thomas Gavin 31born Shotts
Ann J Gavin 30
Hugh Gavin 8
Agnes Gavin 5
Alexr Gavin 3
Jane Gavin 2
John Beard 19

I have him on other census records but wanted to check if I had the right one.

Did Hugh marry Isabella Provan after Agnes died?

What do you know about them and what are you hoping to learn?

Regards,
Annette

[nelmit]

Hi. First time posting on this site. I have an Agnes McNair, married to a Hugh Gavin, 1848 Kilbarchan.
Looks likely to be related to the other McNairs in this parish. Anyone seen this name? Agnes was deceased by 1872 when her son Thomas Gavin married Ann Jane Rodgers at Dykehead, Shotts.

If I have the right family I am sure we have looked at them before in terms of Thomas's brother James who is living with him in 1891 but I cannot find the thread anywhere......

Regards,
Annette