I've lost Samuel Dobbie!.....

garibaldired · Post by **garibaldired** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:41 pm

Sarah,

I'm back - I tried not to rush my tea and let the rest of the family know I had far more interesting places to be!
Yes I'm sure it's the right lot. I've also looked on the IGI (will check later on SP) and found a birth for a Marion Paterson Dobbie on 22 March 1864 to a Margaret Dobbie. Right area and Margaret's mother maiden name was Paterson so it looks like a hit! Margaret also had a sister Marion Paterson Dobie. The evidence mounts.............
If you'd like to follow any of them up I'd be delighted but please only do so if you would like - you must already have spent ages.
Looking at the picture of the Hibernia brings it home to you what courage they had to undertake these journeys doesn't it? Must have been pretty awful so I suppose the prospect of life in the new world must have been quite a pull.
Very much appreciate all your efforts - once more a big thank you.
Meg

garibaldired · Post by **garibaldired** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:19 pm

Hi again,

I'm going to throw someone else in the pot now!
I can't find the other sister, her husband and family after 1871......... do you think they made the journey too?!
They are James Hunter, born c 1835 plumber, wife Marion born c1842 and children, Robert (1858), Samuel (1861), James (1863), Margaret ((1866) and David (1870). All born Scotland.

Now I really must go and do something about the kitchen!
Thanks again, Sarah. I bet you're beginning to wish you'd never got started on this one!
Regards,
Meg

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:30 am

Okay, I have spent a few hours clearing out my office and now I can have some fun again

This is getting interesting! James and Marion Hunter were in Waterbury, New Haven, Connecticut in 1880. He was a plumber, as you said, and the children still at home are:
Sam, age 19, a plumber, born Scotland
James Jr., age 16, a gardener, born Scotland
Margaret, age 7, at school, born Scotland
Minnie, age 5, born Connecticut
Hannah, age 2, born Connecticut

Remember that in my first post I had found a Samuel Dobbie in 1900 in Waterbury?! It looks likely that one is indeed him after all

I have found them on a passenger list, arriving October 1872 in New York, on the ship Columbia
James Hunter age 37, plumber
Marion Hunter age 30
Samuel Hunter age 11
James Hunter age 8
Maggie Hunter age 5
No sign of wee David, nor Robert. You might look for their deaths in Scotland.

In 1900 Marion is a widow, still in Waterbury, Connecticut. James, Marion H.(the Maggie of the 1880 census) and Hannah E. are still living with her. She says that she had 7 children, 4 of whom are still living. So it looks like Robert and David did die. Either Samuel or Minnie must have died also in the U.S.

Can’t find anyone in 1910, but that is not surprising. The index is only for heads of households and is one of the worst ever.

In 1920 James appears to be the superintendant of a zoo, in Denver, Colorado!

At least there is a James Hunter of the right age, born in Scotland, immigrated in 1872. He is married to Sara R., no children

The only James I can find in 1930 has a different wife, May, and is a machinist in Chicago. Since James was a machinist in 1880, this might be he? However, he states that he was first married at age 21, which doesn’t fit with his 1900 census record, when he is still single. Chances are your James died before 1930. Perhaps he accidently locked himself in the lion's cage

Well, that should give you enough to ponder on for awhile!

Regards,
Sarah

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:40 am

Hmm... I take it back. James was NOT careless with the keys, he appears to be still in Denver with wife Sarah R. in 1930, but some of the details are different from 1920-- so which is right? I’ll let you try to puzzle out whether this is your James or not. In 1930 he is age 55, is a Deputy Marshall in Govt. Service and says he immigrated in 1890-- hmmm
Maybe a neighbor was the one who ended up answering the questions this time.

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:38 am

Oh dear.

I thought I’d better go back and find Margaret and found this article from the Cumberland Times in 1874 (from the GenWeb site)
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdallegh/c-times/1874.htm

McKINLEY 08 Aug 1874 Mrs Margaret McKinley, aged 40 years and 1 month, and husband of William McKinley, died Tuesday (Aug 4).

By 1880 he appears to have remarried to someone named Ann (unfortunately the GenWeb site doesn’t have marriages past 1873). They have several more children. By the birth ages, it looks as though Margaret died at the birth of Isabella. On the census form, the “mother’s birth” has been filled out as if all the children were Ann’s and the ages are all slightly off. But I think it is the right family nonetheless.

Now, I'm going to really try to stop looking up things for awhile

Sarah

garibaldired · Post by **garibaldired** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:06 am

Sarah,

How busy you have been while I have been sleeping!
I can't thank you enough for all this work you have done for me.
This is the first of my Scottish branch who have been found to go to the US; all the rest seem to have stayed very much in the area they were born. Samuel was my gt gtgrandmother's brother.
So lots more to pore over.

I have enough to keep me going all week!

Very many thanks for all the images too. I'll take it quite happily from here! A zoo keeper! a deputy marshall! Whatever next?!

Regards,
Meg

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:05 pm

Sorry Meg, forget everything I told you yesterday about James Hunter in 1920 and 1930. I have finally found him, although he was indexed as having been born in Lithuania! (It was the neighbor, not him-- the indexer’s eye slipped momentarily)

I discovered that many of the Waterbury directories were available on ancestry.com, and have found the following. Their approximate years of death can be inferred:

Samuel Dobbie was there at least by 1890 (no directories found before that) and lived at least until 1908, a good long life!

James Hunter died between 1891 and 1894 (no directory found for 1892 and 1893, so I can’t narrow it down any more).

Marion is listed in 1916 and then is gone in 1917.

Daughter Marion gets her own listing by 1908 and is still there as late as 1946. She doesn’t seem to have ever married.

James Jr. didn’t marry either, and continues to board first with his mother, then with his sister until his death on Jan 18th 1924. It actually gave his date of death in the city directory!!

Waterbury, Connecticut Directories, 1889-91 Record
Name:Samuel Dobbie
City:Waterbury
State:CT
Occupation:engineer
Year:1890, 1891
Business Name:Henderson Bros.
Location 2:boards 27 Alder, Town plot

Waterbury, Connecticut Directories, 1889-91 Record
Name:James Hunter
City:Waterbury
State:CT
Occupation:plumber
Year:1889, 1890, 1891
Business Name:Meadow
Location 2: 27 Alder

Waterbury, Connecticut Directories, 1889-91 Record
Name:James Hunter, Jr.
City:Waterbury
State:CT
Occupation:machinist, employed
Year:1889, 1890, 1891
Business Name:Henderson Bros.
Location 2:boards 27 Alder

1894
Hunter, James Mrs., h 27 Alder
Hunter, James J., machinist, Am P Co., bds 27 Alder
Dobbie, Samuel, Bds 27 Alder

1902
Dobbie Samuel, bds 22 Camp
Hunter James J., engineer H., B. & H. Co., bds 27 Alder
Hunter Marion, widow James, h 27 Alder

1908
Dobbie Samuel bds 27 Alder
Hunter James J emp W B G Corp bds 26 Abbott av
Hunter Marion wid James h 27 Alder
Hunter Marion D bkkpr 40 N Main bds 27 Alder

1910
Hunter James emp R-C Co rms 345 Bank
Hunter James lather h 92 High
Hunter Marion wid James h 27 Alder
Hunter Marion D bkkpr 40 N Main bds 27 Alder

1912
Hunter James clk bds 27 Alder
Hunter James E emp S Mfg Co h 46 Webb
Hunter Marion wid James h 27 Alder
Hunter Marion D bkkpr 122 E. Main bds 27 Alder

1915
Hunter James mach bds 27 Alder
Hunter Marion wid James h 27 Alder
Hunter Marion D bds 27 Alder

1916
Hunter James mach bds 27 Alder
Hunter Marion wid James h 27 Alder
Hunter Marion D bds 27 Alder

1917
Hunter James mach bds 27 Alder
Hunter Marion D h 27 Alder

1918
Hunter James emp SMfgCo bds 27 Alder
Hunter Marion D h 27 Alder

1920
Hunter James emp S MfgCo bds 27 Alder
Hunter Marion D h 27 Alder

1922
Hunter James emp WCCo res 27 Alder
Hunter Marion bkkpr 115 Grand h 27 Alder

1924
Hunter James died Jan 18th 1924
Hunter Marion D bkkpr 115 Grand h 27 Alder

1927
Hunter Marion D bkkpr r 27 Alder

1931
Hunter Marion D r 27 Alder

1946
Hunter Marion D r 27 Alder

Now that I knew where they were in 1920, I was able to find James and Marion (in spite of the “born in Lithuania” indexing!) at, of course, 27 Alder.
With them is a niece Marion Brown, age 14, so perhaps Hannah married a Brown.

In 1930 Marion is with her sister Margaret and her husband, and a Brown nephew:
Bunge (or Dunge?), Harry (or Harvy?) L., Head, 62
------Margaret D., Wife-H, 63
Robert (or Peter?) J. Brown, nephew, 19
Hunter, Marion D., Sister, 54

This should give you quite a bit to puzzle through!

All the best,
Sarah

garibaldired · Post by **garibaldired** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:17 pm

Hello Sarah,

I am left speechless by the amount of work you have done for me and what you have found out for me. THANK YOU!
I would like to nominate you for TalkingScot's Helper of the Month

!

I'm now off (once more!) to go through all those images and all that information. Should keep me busy for a good while!

Best wishes,
Meg

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:43 pm

garibaldired wrote: I would like to nominate you for TalkingScot's Helper of the Month !

Or TalkingScot's Most Obsessed Member of the Month

I'm afraid I'm an incurable researcher... nothing to be done about it (I don't necessarily want to be cured-- it's too much fun

)

Have fun with your Dobbies! I was so pleased to see that Samuel lived so long, despite spending all that time in the mines (I tend to get attached to these folks after a few censuses!)
Sarah

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:44 pm

garibaldired wrote:Hello Sarah,

I am left speechless by the amount of work you have done for me and what you have found out for me. THANK YOU!
I would like to nominate you for TalkingScot's Helper of the Month !

I'm now off (once more!) to go through all those images and all that information. Should keep me busy for a good while!

Best wishes,
Meg

And I'll second the nomination $\:D/$ !!

Best wishes
Jean