stuck with john ballantyne!.....

[karenc]

Hi,

Just a post to thank Jack and Lesley again. I got some credits last night and looked up all the information you helped me with and everything was correct. I havent had a chance yet to look at te OPRs for carluke to check for johns death but i am hoping to do that soon.

Also do you remember there was a jane ross on the 1851 census, well according to the actual census she is elizabeths daughter
so i will have to try and follow her up as well

Huge Thanks

Karen

[LesleyB]

Hi Karen
Thanks for getting back to us! Always great to hear that we've maybe helped a little & some progress has been made Makes it all worthwhile

Best wishes
Lesley

[karenc]

Hi Lesley,

I am really greatful for your help and now it has left me with few other pieces of information that i can also try and follow up!

Now if i can find johns death on the OPRS then i will be very happy

Thanks again,

Karen

[aussie*family]

Hi Karen,

I am a descendant of John Ballantyne and Elizabeth Parsell. They had a daughter, Joan/Jane Ballantyne (her name was incorrectly spelt Ballytire on her marriage certificate) who married James Chalmers 9 June 1871. I have Elizabeths parents as William Pasell and Agnes Boyd and for me it ends there. On the Ballantyne side I have been unable to find out who Johns parents were. If you have any luck with your searching would you mind passing on the information to me and I will do the same in return if I have any luck

I am in Australia so this hampers my searching a bit.

Kindest regards,
Senga

[aussie*family]

Hi Karen, it's Senga here again. i just did a search on the Scotland's People site for John Ballantynes birth. I worked out going by the age on the census if correct he would have been born around 1816 so I did a search of 1815-1817 which returned 7 matches. Also you mentioned that he was listed as being born outside the census county, did it list where he was born as that might help us narrow things down. Sorry but I have run out of credits for Scotland's People (again ...LOL ...expensive habit this) so I will paste in below the entries I found. When I get more credits I will look into it further if I can, if you get around to it before me then please let me know

1 28/05/1815 BALLANTYNE JOHN
ALEXANDER BALLANTYNE/RANDALL KELSO 793/00 0004

2 10/12/1816 BALLANTYNE JOHN
JOHN BALLANTYNE/CHRISTIANA BINNIE FR520 IRVINE 595/00 0002

3 02/04/1817 BALLANTYNE JOHN
JOHN BALLANTYNE/ELISABETH LOCKIE FR110 CARNWATH 632/00 0001

4 22/06/1817 BALLANTYNE JOHN
ROBERT BALLANTYNE/MARGARET VINE FR1775 LINLITHGOW 668/00 004*

5 01/10/1817 BALLANTYNE JOHN
JOHN BALLANTYNE/ELISABETH LAWSON FR474 EDDLESTONE 760/00 0002

6 29/12/1816 BALLANTYNE JOHN ALEXANDER
JAMES BALLANTYNE/CHRISTINA HOGARTH FR3665 EDINBURGH 685/01 0042

7 19/12/1816 BALLANTYNE JOHN GRIEVE
DAVID BALLANTYNE/ISABEL GRIEVE FR116 CASTLETON 784/00 0001

Kind regards,
Senga

[karenc]

Hi Senga,

great to hear from you. Joan Ballantyne and James Chalmers are my great great grand-parents. So where are you related? and am i right in guessing by your name that you live in auz?

Anyway i have done quite a bit of research on the parsells recently and i can tell you that elizabeth parsells parents were thomas parsell and susan brownlee, i know this because i have her death certificate. also the parsell family later changed their name to percival. believe me this had me stumped but it is the correct people.

I also have the parents for thomas parsell and susan brownlee. if you want what further info i have on the parsells then let me know. either on this thread or send me a PM.

Also on the John ballantyne matter, i was at a local library just yesterday and have found a OPR burial record for him and he was burried on 18 february 1849, aged 41. this would make him born around 1808
I dont know if he has a grave stone as yet so i dont know if there would be any more helpful info there.

Thanks for contacting me

Karen

[aussie*family]

Hi Karen,

Thanks for getting back to me. Yes I am an Aussie girl born and bred. Joan Ballantyne and James Chalmers are also my great great grand-parents. In my searching I have found Elizabeth to be born to a William Parsell and Agnes Boyd. I know you say that it states differently on her death certificate but going by Thomas and Susans ages I am more inclined to believe that they in actual fact may have been the grandparents. Sure Susan could have given birth late in life but she would have been 35 when Elizabeth was born and 48 by the time that Thomas Jnr was born and Thomas definitely much older than that. It's just a thought. When I get back on to Scotland's people I am definitely going to have to quench my suspicions ...LOL. I am only guessing that something could have happened to the childrens parents when they were young and that the family took them in as their own. But then again I could be entirely wrong, that's what I get for loving a good mystery

What was Elizabeths DOB as I have her as 24 May 1819 which lines up with her being 33 in the 1851 census. This is all so interesting. This is all on my father's mother's side and I am having just as much difficulty on my father's father's side. Once the extracts go back so far and I am unable to view them then I am stumped and as I don't have many resources it makes it so difficult

G'Day from Australia
Senga

[karenc]

Hi Senga,

so were quite closely connected then maybe you could fill me in as to how you connect to james and joan and i will fill you in on how i fit in.

first what i will say is that i was looking through the OPRs yesterday and trying to confirm my details and i have the birth for elizabeth on nov 5 1817 in carluke, this ties in with her age on the census for 1851 right through to 1901, i have them all (i now have no money left - LOL ).

As of yesterday i also have her marriage to john ballantyne which is 13 may 1842 in the relief church, carluke. I got the correct dates for all her brothers and sisters and all state the parents names as thomas parsell and susan brownlee.

I have done just about as much checking as i can do and i think thomas and susan are the correct parents. i will keep checking and see if i come up with anything else, or if you come up with anything else let me know.

P.S was your elizabeth 1819 born in carluke, lanarkshire

Hope to hear from you again

Karen

[aussie*family]

Hi again Karen,

Please forgive me for my assumptions and mistakes, I have 100% faith that with your resources you have much better information than I. I would love it if I could have any details that you have on the Parsells and Brownlees I too have that exact marriage date but at the moment I cannot find where I have written about Elizabeths birth so can't check the area but I am sure it is irrelevant. I'm still on the hunt with the Ballantyne side.

As for how I am connected to James and Joan -(my great, great grandparents)

-James & Joan had daughter Joan

-Joan married William Warnock -(my great grandparents)

-Joan & William had daughter Margaret

-Margaret married Alexander Main -(my grandparents)

-Margaret & Alexander had John (Ian)

-John (Ian) Main married Helena (Lena) Caldwell -(my parents)

-Ian & Lena had daughter Senga (Me)

So how closely are we related?

Kind regards,
Senga

[karenc]

HI senga,

well im not saying that your info was wrong i was just telling you what i had, probably when i get to the library again i will double check my details to make sure. then we will know for sure well assure as we can be

well here goes with how im related to james and joan:

james and joan had a son william who married sarah marlin (who is irish)

william and sarah had a son andrew marlin chalmers

andrew marlin chalmers married agnes smillie cuthbert sim

andrew and agnes had a son, andrew chalmers

and andrew married margaret gray morgan mcleod

andrew and margaret had a daughter.............

and that daughter was me Karen Chalmers!


I have done a mountain of research on the chalmers family. i have almost two folders full of research, certificates, census etc. im back to the late 1600s with them!


I will get all my Parsell/Brownlee information together and i will send you details in a PM. If thats not OK then let me know.

Speak soon

Karen