Hi all, Thanks for the replies, all very helpful I must say, and all being chased or traced.
I'm stuck, and think may well remain so, at JAMES DRUMMOND born c1803 according to the age given in the 1851 census, and born allegedly in Largo parish. I can't find him in the 1841 census, nor can I find his wife CHRISTIAN with either her married name nor her m.s, which was STEVENSON.
They turn up in the 1851 census, with bairns all born in the East Neuk and the one born in 1841 in Pittenweem, so I'm at a loss to see why the 1841 census didn't pick them up.
There's no marriage cert available, nor any banns or marriage info from OPR on Scotland's People for them BUT the LDS IGI give them as being married in 1825 at Largo! How do THEY have info yet Scotland's People don't?
I can find Christian's parents I think, but James' is another matter and even finding death details has become impossible.
Can anyone suggest anything or anywhere I can search next?
Denham / Horsburgh & Stevenson / Drummond, Fife connecti
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StewL
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Jake
I checked up your IGI record and it was an extracted entry so at least it wasn't a submission.
I then did a OPR search on SP for James Drummond spouse Stevenston (sic) date range 1824 - 1825 with no location included. There was one result which looks promising, I have run out of credits so didnt pursue the matter. But from memory there will be no image (not yet available online) so you would have to order it. If it is anything like the one I received it will probably only show the banns with a lot of other couples on the page. But then again you might be lucky. All the best with your searching.
I checked up your IGI record and it was an extracted entry so at least it wasn't a submission.
I then did a OPR search on SP for James Drummond spouse Stevenston (sic) date range 1824 - 1825 with no location included. There was one result which looks promising, I have run out of credits so didnt pursue the matter. But from memory there will be no image (not yet available online) so you would have to order it. If it is anything like the one I received it will probably only show the banns with a lot of other couples on the page. But then again you might be lucky. All the best with your searching.
Stewie
Searching for: Anderson, Balks, Barton, Courtney, Davidson, Downie, Dunlop, Edward, Flucker, Galloway, Graham, Guthrie, Higgins, Laurie, Mathieson, McLean, McLuckie, Miln, Nielson, Payne, Phillips, Porterfield, Stewart, Watson
Searching for: Anderson, Balks, Barton, Courtney, Davidson, Downie, Dunlop, Edward, Flucker, Galloway, Graham, Guthrie, Higgins, Laurie, Mathieson, McLean, McLuckie, Miln, Nielson, Payne, Phillips, Porterfield, Stewart, Watson
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Jake Drummond
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Excellent work Stewie, many thanks! I didn't think to try the mis-spelling of Stevenson. I'll go and look in the Kirkcaldy Library OPR today, and hopefully there might be some clues, but I suspect that it will be the usual notation and no parent's names.
I might have had some luck had I been able to find his death details, his wife surviving him and knowing the mother and father of her spouse.
His son Robert drowned in 1871 and James was deceased by then.
Am I correct oi thinking that the 1841 census records were lost? I can recall hearing that a ship taking records across the Forth sank and all the data had to be transcribed from the originals?
I might have had some luck had I been able to find his death details, his wife surviving him and knowing the mother and father of her spouse.
His son Robert drowned in 1871 and James was deceased by then.
Am I correct oi thinking that the 1841 census records were lost? I can recall hearing that a ship taking records across the Forth sank and all the data had to be transcribed from the originals?
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Jake Drummond
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Yes Lesley, I found them, with the extra 'T' in Stevenson given as Stevenston).
Christian's death certificate shows her described as "Christina" Drummond (which fits), aged 85 years, (which fits) and with father Robert Stevenson which fits, and gives her mum as Alison Meldrum, which was suspected. Her son John registered the death, at 136 South Street St Andrews, cause of Death "Old Age and Asthenia".
(Weakness or ack of energy and strength.The word asthenia is not much used in medicine today, although it is a prominent part of myasthenia, a loss of muscle strength, as in myasthenia gravis.)
Seems I need some searching lessons to find the clues, which you all have provided. Less precision I guess, allowing for mis splleings and errrorrs!
Christian's death certificate shows her described as "Christina" Drummond (which fits), aged 85 years, (which fits) and with father Robert Stevenson which fits, and gives her mum as Alison Meldrum, which was suspected. Her son John registered the death, at 136 South Street St Andrews, cause of Death "Old Age and Asthenia".
(Weakness or ack of energy and strength.The word asthenia is not much used in medicine today, although it is a prominent part of myasthenia, a loss of muscle strength, as in myasthenia gravis.)
Seems I need some searching lessons to find the clues, which you all have provided. Less precision I guess, allowing for mis splleings and errrorrs!
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StewL
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Jake
If your James Drummond is around in 1851 and dead by his sons marriage in 1871 why not try a death search using his estimated year of birth of 1803 with a +- of 4 years, but dont put in an area. There are only 4 that match that criteria and hopefully if he survived past 1855 he could be one of the matches. Even by expanding the 1803 with a +- factor of 5 there are only 7. Ok could be a waste of credits, but I can assure you we have all been down that rocky road of wasting credits. The reason I say dont put in an area is, that if you put in Fife you dont get any matches. Which could mean he was outwith the shire for some reason at the time of his death?
If your James Drummond is around in 1851 and dead by his sons marriage in 1871 why not try a death search using his estimated year of birth of 1803 with a +- of 4 years, but dont put in an area. There are only 4 that match that criteria and hopefully if he survived past 1855 he could be one of the matches. Even by expanding the 1803 with a +- factor of 5 there are only 7. Ok could be a waste of credits, but I can assure you we have all been down that rocky road of wasting credits. The reason I say dont put in an area is, that if you put in Fife you dont get any matches. Which could mean he was outwith the shire for some reason at the time of his death?
Stewie
Searching for: Anderson, Balks, Barton, Courtney, Davidson, Downie, Dunlop, Edward, Flucker, Galloway, Graham, Guthrie, Higgins, Laurie, Mathieson, McLean, McLuckie, Miln, Nielson, Payne, Phillips, Porterfield, Stewart, Watson
Searching for: Anderson, Balks, Barton, Courtney, Davidson, Downie, Dunlop, Edward, Flucker, Galloway, Graham, Guthrie, Higgins, Laurie, Mathieson, McLean, McLuckie, Miln, Nielson, Payne, Phillips, Porterfield, Stewart, Watson
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Jake Drummond
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Hi Stew,
Thanks yet again, I've had a look at every James Drummond death certificate but not one fits! I'm at my wits end, again, but need to keep going to get pre 1800 at least!
Differing Drummond lines keep appearing, but I'm not convinced that any are the corect ones, despite their provenance being assured, so I NEED TO FIND that elusive link!
Who his dad and mum were is all I need, but certificated!
Thanks yet again, I've had a look at every James Drummond death certificate but not one fits! I'm at my wits end, again, but need to keep going to get pre 1800 at least!
Differing Drummond lines keep appearing, but I'm not convinced that any are the corect ones, despite their provenance being assured, so I NEED TO FIND that elusive link!
Who his dad and mum were is all I need, but certificated!