Bryce.....

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:17 pm

Hi thomsos

'Fraid I didn't' find them either....but I did find Janes death. I don't recall the date right off hand but she had been married for a second time. Search for her DC by maiden name of Bryce and married name of Johnston and there are only 2 results and only 1 with an age that fits. The year might have been 1888?....hmmmmm....not sure on that. As usual...am at work and away from my resources

Anyhow you'll know it's her as the parents match with Alex and Eliz. If you track down her 2nd marriage that might explain where Jane was in 1881.

Best wishes
Jean

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:23 pm

Thanks Jean, will see what I can find
cheers
thomsos

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:42 pm

Jean,
I think this may be Jane and second hubby, the DC for Jane is not to clear, I think his name is George Allan Ross, and it look like she has changed all the Johnston family to Ross, can you give me your thoughts on this please

k

1881 census - 42 Millerbank St
Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203650 GRO Ref Volume 644-6 EnumDist 78 Page 8

thomsos

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:03 am

Hi thomsos

Yup...you've got 'em! Sorry to see no Elizabeth with them. From the IGI parent search you can pick up this list of offspring to Robert Johnston and Jane Bryce:

1. JAMES JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 05 JUL 1862 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland

2. EDWARD DONALDSON JOHNSTONE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 11 DEC 1873 Lasswade, Midlothian, Scotland

3. JANE JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 07 MAY 1868 Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland

4. ROBERT HILL JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 11 MAY 1870 Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland

5. JOHN JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 23 DEC 1871 Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland

6. EDWARD DONALDSON JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 DEC 1873 Free Church, Roslin, Midlothian, Scotland

7. ELIZA EDWARD JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 02 JUL 1866 Leith, Midlothian, Scotland

8. ALEXANDER JOHNSTON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 21 AUG 1864 Leith, Midlothian, Scotland

Sooooo....using the 1881 census listing that you located compare the names and ages of the kids and places of birth and there is little doubt this is the right family. Perhaps they didn't really adopt the Ross surname but the enumerator just sort of made it so.....but then again maybe they did! Only way to know for certain is to search for a marriage for one of the kids or some future event and see which name they stuck with.

Now back to the elusive Elizabeth. You know..... I'm not so sure that 1881 housekeeper entry you found is the right one. If it is....well....then it looks like that same lady is alive and well and living in Carnwath for the 1891 census. But according to Jane's DC you know that her mother was still alive so that could fit. But the Elizabeth Bryce you can locate in Carnwath in 1891 is listed as Single?....also is listed as born Dunsyre like the housekeeper lady was. Also seems to be living next door to another Bryce widow first name of Margaret. I've checked and this Margaret dies within a few years and her parents are named on her DC. I checked the IGI for other births to these same parents and sure enough they did have an Elizabeth but she was born 1810 Dunsyre....which might fit your Elizabeth but then again might be a little on the old side. Very frustrating as Carnwath, Dunsyre, and Covington are all well within reasonable range to fit the circumstances. The thing is I can't find a DC for this Elizabeth either.....which only makes me think she might be yours. I mean what are the odds there are two Elizabeth Bryce's whose deaths cannot be located!!!!

Hope I haven't confused things further....

Best wishes,
Jean

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:49 pm

Jean,
The funny thing is I was unable to find Elizabeth on the 1891 Carnwath census, but Margaret showed up.

I see Margaret was staying by herself in the 1881 census, and I take it Margaret's DC 1893, parents James and Helen, ms Sanderson, is the one you are talking about?........ do you think its safe enough to presume that this could be Elizabeth Sis? but it is rather annoying not knowing what has happened to Eliz

Cheers
thomsos

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:48 pm

Hi thomsos

Another trick......gotta use that wildcard for an S or a Z....

1891 BRYCE ELISABETH F 79 CARNWATH /LANARK 632/01 003/01 003

but surely you saw her when you viewed the entry as she is right above Margaret. I really don't know if she could be your Elizabeth or not. I think she could be but darned if I can see how to prove it.

In all this I wonder if you've tried to find Jane and Barbara's brother John? Alexander died young but there was still another brother on the early census. Maybe he has a clue for you. Oh....and a maybe clue in the informant on Alexander's DC....an uncle in law or some such...(sorry...am at work again and going from foggy memory

) but someone with a surname other than Bryce.

Best wishes
Jean

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:16 pm

Hi, me again,
Yes sorry I did see Eliz. on the census, it was just I couldn't find her when searching, but got her through Margaret.

Right I've found Alexander's DC, with uncle in law- Michael Templeton, notice there is a corr entry............I think Michael was married to a Margaret Bryce! I take it this was Alexander's sister and not Elizabeth's as they have a daughter, Barbara Scoular Templeton, called after Alexander's mother.............not really been able to trace John b1854 or James b1858, I see john is on the 1861 census, but no James, do you think he died young?
still no sign of Eliz DC

thomsos

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:05 pm

Hi thomsos

Unfortunately I only had one credit but did view a death search for a James and yes would have to agree that he likely died as an infant. There is one entry in 1858 with mother's mn given as Bryce so surely this was him. I've had no luck yet with finding John either. The DC still as much a mystery as every I'm afraid!

Best wishes
Jean

thomsos · Post by **thomsos** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:56 pm

Jean,
just thought I'd let you know that I have the DC for the Eliz. who is on the 1891, with Margaret Bryce, she died 1909 in the county of Lanark, but it does state that she is single, and is a Pauper and an outdoor worker, so I don't really think this is my Eliz.
can't quite make out were she died, looks something like 14 Delveo rd, Lanark, boarded there by Carnwath Parish

thomsos

JustJean · Post by **JustJean** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:18 am

Hi thomsos

Well in that case....then perhaps the housekeeper in 1881 is her and not your Elizabeth. Which gets us right back to square one again.

But because your Elizabeth is listed as alive when Jane dies then you would think she could be accounted for!! This may have to go down as an unsolved mystery

Best wishes
Jean