Robert McAllister's relatives - Brickwall - Help please?....

[Jockbird]

Hello Jack

Once again you are a wee diamond.

And that is so promising with old Isabella being alive in 1861, poor woman aging 30 years in only 20, I have days like that!!!

I realise now I have been muddying my waters by popping in the maiden name in my DC searches. I've had *s everywhere imaginable to try and come up with the variations of Margaret Isabella McAllister (nee MacKintosh), however, by putting in just a plain and simple Is* M*Allister born 1791 with a 10 year margin of error gets me 6 matches........now to get the £6 to get at those matches.....mmm...how to disguise this habit on the bank statement?????

As I'd drawn a monumental blank on William and realised he'd popped off our mortal coil way before 1855, I'd popped him to one side until I came up with the most gobsmacking inspiration which may help me find him....that could take some while!

......Now to find just whose daughter young Isabella is. I've found a 6yr old Isabella in 1841 (admittedly only on freecen so there are probably umpteen out there I don't know about), living in Brewery St, Barony, parents Daniel & Catherine, siblings Helen & William. Naming patterns spring to mind and this Daniel is listed as a Rope-maker Journeyman, my William McAllister was a Ropespinner.......but they are in limbo as I've not managed to prove or disprove a link.

First things first...hopefully an informative death cert awaits 8-[ Please let the informant have actually know something about them. [-o<

Thanks very much once again Jack,
All the best
Donna

[Jockbird]

Quick update,

Have been on SP & not found her yet. Several Isabellas and Margarets pass away from 1861 onwards.

The ones I thought were right place weren't her.

What on earth could she have called herself or did she go off to die like cats do????

Any lateral thought and input would be much appreciated...she's got to be there somewhere.

Thanks all
Donna

[Jockbird]

Hurrah!!!!

I've found her....actually, I should be more reverant, this is the death of my Gx5 grandmother.....BUT....I've got her!

Further more her father was called Daniel....so I'm going to go off looking down that avenue re the grand-daughter. Son Robert was the informant...smack wristies to him for not knowing his granny's name [-X

Whoooo-hooooo.

Thank you to all of you with your input.

All the best
Donna
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[Jack]

Hi Donna,
Well done on finding Isabella's DC - you sound happy girl.
Maybe family historians are the only folk who dance a jig when when we find a deid rellie....
I dare say you'll have all this by now?
But in case not, and a lot of guesswork & wishful thinking on my part....
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DANIEL MCALLISTER
CATHERINE MCCOWAN
Marriage: 16 JUN 1833 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
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Children below have mother as Catherine McEWAN, and Helen b1836 has mother as Helen McEWAN.
ISABELLA MCALLISTER - Christening: 17 DEC 1834 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
HELEN MCALLISTER - Birth: 07 OCT 1836 - Christening: 13 NOV 1836 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
WILLIAM MCALLISTER - Birth: 28 MAY 1838; Christening: 24 JUN 1838 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
WILLIAM MCALLISTER - Birth: 18 JUL 1840; Christening: 16 AUG 1840 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
AGNES MCALLISTER - Birth: 29 MAY 1842 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
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You have this 1841 census i know, it's just to keep them together.
>1841 / 622 Place: Barony-Lanarkshire Enumeration District: 13 Page: 14
>Address: Brewery Closs
>MCALLISTER Daniel M 25 Rope Maker Jrnymn Lanarkshire
>MCALLISTER Catherine F 25 Outside Census County
>MCALLISTER Isabella F 6 Lanarkshire
>MCALLISTER Helen F 4 Lanarkshire
>MCALLISTER William M 10m Lanarkshire
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1851 census 644-1 (561) Ed 1 p 11 (St Johns)
Daniel McALLASTER, 37
Catherine McALLASTER, 37
Helen McALLASTER, 14
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The next one is only a guess; ages are a wee bit out - but it's the only Daniel & family that i can see to fit.
1861 census 644-2 Ed 82 p 1 (High)
Daniel McALLISTER, 44, b Glasgow, LKS
Catherine McALLISTER, 44, b Glasgow, LKS
Helen McALLISTER, 20, b Glasgow, LKS
Robert McALLISTER, 7, b Glasgow, LKS
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And this marriage is pure speculation based on the children's names,
but maybe no harm in proving or eliminating?
FRANCIS HALLIDAY
HELEN MCALISTER
Marriage: 31 DEC 1863 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

SAMUEL HALLIDAY - Birth: 17 DEC 1864 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
DANIEL HALLIDAY - Birth: 21 JUN 1867 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JOHN FORBES HALLIDAY - Birth: 31 MAY 1869 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
ALEXANDER MACKINTOSH HALLIDAY - Birth: 25 JUL 1871 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
ROBERT MCALLISTER HALLIDAY - Birth: 03 JAN 1873 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
CATHERINE M. HALLIDAY - Birth ~1877 Glasgow

1881 Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 146 Duke Street
Source: FHL Film 0203646 GRO Ref Volume 644-5 EnumDist 47 Page 10
Francis HALLIDAY M 43 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Engine Fitter
Helen HALLIDAY M 42 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife
Samuel HALLIDAY 16 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Message Boy
Daniel M. HALLIDAY 13 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Message Boy
John F. HALLIDAY 11 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Robert HALLIDAY 8 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Catherine M. HALLIDAY 3 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur
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Jack

[Jockbird]

Yes I am a happy girl and you've made me even happier with all that info to be proved or disproved.

I'm going to have to be very restrained....spent too much this morning on the wrong deaths!...... .......but with my one remaining SP credit I've done a quick search for the death of Daniel M*A*ister, YOB 1817 with margin of error of 10 and it came back with 8, of which 3 are possibles, a Blythswood, a Calton & a St Rollox.

I know that in 1871 (yes I got the Robert McAllister 1871 census that I didn't have) Robert and family were in 148 West Nile Stret (the now Amalfi Pizzeria!) and that classed as Blythswood, so that'll be first on my list.

Re the census info, I only had 1841 so sending me on that information is fantastic. Again, it puts them all in the right areas as the two Isabella's were in in Glasgow "High" and the names are too coincidental...surely!

My god, once I find the DC that ties all this lot in...and I'm sure it will....you'll probably hear me Whooooo-hoooo 500 miles up the road!

Thank you once again Jack for your invaluable help.

Donna
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p.s. on a different note re my Millar/Gray bit, when I tracked back one of the names I had on John Millar's will, I managed to get John's sibling Agnes.....going forward to the missing link George.....well it would appear he was missing a link, Annette has kindly ordered the Poor Relief apps from him & his wife which run to some 7 pages! It was George's son George who married Agnes McAllister, grand-daughter of this Robert. And to think that at the beginning of the year my dad didn't even know his Grandad's name.

Thanks again for your help on that one too.

Donna
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[Alienore]

Hi hun

Remind me and I'll have a look at Margaret Mackintosh for you when I next visit Register House - ironic that she's from Redcastle.... wouldn't it be weird if we were related in more than one way?


Debs x

[Jockbird]

Nice one hunnybun,

She dies an Isabella, the Margaret bit was thrown in by grandson Robert when registering dad Robert's death.

Started a ScotlandsPeople search but I'm not made of money!

I'm getting delusions of grandeur and going for a Rennie Mackintosh connection! Willow Tea Room's in spitting distance of the Amalfi Pizzeria and I had photographers & scene painters in that family.......

Might get you to have a wee butchers at a couple of Daniel McAllister deaths if my credit card hasn't recovered before your next visit.

Cheerio
D
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[Jockbird]

Jack,

Just to let you know that daniel was mine after all.

Found his death cert. He died at the City Poorhouse in 1877....can't believe his brother was along the road in a big house in West Nile street...but there you go.

Rather unhelpfully he gives the mother's maiden name as Logan!!! Mackintosh is fine...where did he get Logan from???? but I'll bear it in mind when I need to think out the box.

Thanks again for a sterling effort and helping smsh another wall.

Donna
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[DavidWW]

Donna

Your other Redcastle/Killearnan connections - any Maclennans ?

David

[Jockbird]

Hi David,

Only come across Mackintoshs, Fergusons and McDonalds.....so far.

Donna
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