Making Sense?

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:02 am

=D> =D> =D> to Sarah for that one! That was an amazing find!

Nina (who has Hislops but from Ireland then Ayr)

Miss Poohs · Post by **Miss Poohs** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:28 am

Went raking through my Hislop info last night and James Hislop, Katies brother, who also lived in Union Street, knew it sounded familar.

I was cart wheeling about the living room last night when Pete came home from work at 12.20am.

I told him we'd found Katie and he said "ohh yes my gran used to go to New York to visit some one" I didn't know wheather to hit him or not.

I am so utterly grateful to you Sarah - sad to admitt it but I was starting to lose sleep over this one.

Yer a wee smasher =D>=D>=D>=D>=D>

I'm $\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$ $\:D/$

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:31 am

Glad they were there to find!

Now, the problem is, they seem to have disappeared again... Can't find another trace. Mind you, I seem to remember that Railroad employees don't show up on the Social Security Death Index, since they had their own system of retirement benefits. But maybe... did they go back to Scotland? At least, Gean's birth should be findable at NRH.

Unless... this is Kate's death? Unfortunately, the mother's and father's names are not filled in. I forget, did you have her birth record? If she was, indeed, 11 in 1901 then this doesn't fit (although if she had been claiming this birth date for years, it could well continue onto the death record).

California Death Index, 1940-1997
Name:DEWAR, CATHERIN
Social Security #:546038702
Sex:FEMALE
Birth Date:12 Feb 1893
Birthplace:SCOTLAND
Death Date:14 Jan 1970
Death Place:LOS ANGELES
Mother's Maiden Name:
Father's Surname:

All the best,
Sarah

Miss Poohs · Post by **Miss Poohs** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:40 am

Katie was born 30 August 1890 - I looked for her death cert on my last visit to PC and couldn't find it.

Wish I could get an appointment at PC before christmas but the fist available date is 18th Jan - I'd love to see the daughters birth cert.

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:22 am

Hi again!
I guess I was too sleepy last night, but I just now thought of looking in case there was a second page to the ship manifest

and there was! On it we find a physical description of Peter:

Height: 5ft 6 3/4in
Complexion:Frsh (fresh?!)
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Light brown

Born in Yoker, Scotland

Name and address of relative or friend:
Mrs. Agnes Cannon, Friend
32 Spencer Street, Eliz Port, NJ

Does she ring any bells?
Regards,
Sarah

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:33 am

Miss Poohs wrote:....snipped...........

I told him we'd found Katie and he said "ohh yes my gran used to go to New York to visit some one" I didn't know whether to hit him or not.

.....snipped......

How often have we all had such a situtation?

Only when the comment is made, or the question asked, does such information "come out the woodwork".

My own personal classic is a visit one evening to my mother in her nursing home some years ago, when, in retrospect, we know that Alzeimers was fast developing so that conversation wasn't that easy.

Having exhausted all the normal subjects, I talked about my research on the family tree, including the possible brick wall that I'd encountered in terms of an 1848 marriage in Co. Antrim shown on a Scottish birth register entry, - the immediate "sharp as a needle" reply came back "Oh, that was the elopement!" - the couple were resident in Girvan in S Ayrshire at the time, with subsequent research providing the info that the bride's family most probably considered that she was marrying "below her station" !!

David

Miss Poohs · Post by **Miss Poohs** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:45 am

Wow David I bet you were amazed with that little gem - fantastic.

Sarah - Peter was born in Renfrew - it's stated as Ferry Road Head, but I wonder if it should be Ferry Head Road.

Renfrew and Yoker are right across the water from each other via the Yoker/Renfrew Ferry (which still runs), so I can see why he's say Yoker.

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:53 am

David,
It's amazing how the brain works, isn't it! Something we might not be able to remember if we tried, suddenly comes with an unexpected trigger. There must be a moral in here somewhere... stalk our elderly relatives, lull their minds with aimless chatter, and then let loose the brick wall question when they least expect it

Regards,
Sarah

ninatoo · Post by **ninatoo** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:15 pm

Yes, sometimes it is just asking the right question, or asking it in the right way.

Me: "What were your Logan aunties and uncles names?"
Mum: "Hugh, Mary Sarah"
Later, after spending copious pounds looking for Sarah, I finally found her, and she was a HALF sister to the Logans (and with the surname Carroll). Mum said "Yes, didn't I tell you that?"

I have had a couple of instances where I would have loved to give my mother a shake after thinking I had discovered something new ( she: "But I TOLD you his name was Bernard!" Me: "No, you said it was BENNIE, so I have been looking for Benjamin!

)

But then she comes up with some gems as well. She told me her granny had 'lots' of brothers and sisters who died young. After checking the censuses, only one sibling showed up. The others had died in between censuses, and I would never have looked for them if not for that snippet from Mum.

Gotta love them,

Nina

Post by **emanday** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:40 pm

With my Mother and Grandmother, it was the things I believe they deliberately didn't talk about that has surprised me.

After my Great Grandfather was lost at sea, his wife remarried. I didn't know this till I found her MC.

Suddenly, I now know who the elderly gentleman was, always referred to by the family as "Auld Scott", but usually not in very friendly terms. Only ever seen at things like funerals and the like, it turns out he was my Grandmother's stepfather.

Here I am, swiftly approaching my pension, just finding out exactly who that old man was!