Barr family.....

[Jack]

Hi Anne,
You mentioned -
>1861 could not find the entry for 31 Centre Street. on SP. Did you find them elsewhere??
Ans - I found Ann BARR 50 and family in Des Garrity's useful 1861 LKS census name index.
Then, with the census number, took details from the microfilm at The Mitchell Library.
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>1881 - 10 So. Coburg St., (Have CDs for 1881 census, but it wasn't on these, found the details on SP)
Ans - that's odd... Ann BARR 72 comes up no bother on my own CD (Scottish Lowlands).
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>As yet have not found Anne Barr's death cert.
Ans - next time i'm at Park Circus i'll have a look, but not guaranteed to find!
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Jack

[AnneMT]

Hi Anne,

>As yet have not found Anne Barr's death cert.
Ans - next time i'm at Park Circus i'll have a look, but not guaranteed to find!
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Jack

Thanks for the offer, I live outside Glasgow, and do go to Park Circus sometimes. Unfortunately, I do not drive, and have problems with public transport, but as long as I am nice to my sister, I can get a lift. So If you find it easily then good, but please do not go out of your way to search for my GGG granny. I am sure you have many others in need of your help.

Thanks again.

[Jack]

Hi Anne,
You'll notice Ann's forename is as Mary, but that's what it says.....
Address is same as the 1881 census, where daur Ann was as Jane.
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1881 DC 644-12. 855 (Gorbals)
Mary BARR [68] d. 28 OCT 1881 at 10 South Coburg Street, Glasgow.
Widow of Robert BARR, iron foundry labourer.
Parents - Donald GILLIES (dcd) printer & Mary m/s CHRYSTAL (dcd)
Informant - Ann CALDWELL, daur.
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I'd some difficulty trying to read the 1891 from a print out.
But you may already have these censuses - father Hugh as born Stranraer 1891, Ireland 1901.
He died 11 Dec 1901.
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1891 census 644-13 Ed 18 p 18 (Tradeston - Laurieston)
6 Eglinton Lane?
Margaret McCREADIE, head, widow, 59, ---------b Greenock. RFW
Robert McCREADIE, son, u/m 19, ham curer?, b Port Glasgow, RFW
David McCREADIE, son, u/m 18, brass finisher?, b Port Glasgow, RFW
Robert WALKER, ???? son, 6, -----------------------b Glasgow, LKS
Hugh CALDWELL, lodger, marr, 44, baker, b Stranraer, ?AYR?
Annie CALDWELL, wife, marr, 44, ---------b Glasgow. LKS
Hugh CALDWELL, son 5, ------------------b Glasgow, LKS
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1901 census 644-14 Ed 12 p 4 (Govan - Tradeston)
36 Ardgowan Place.
Hugh CALDWELL, head, marr, 52, baker, b Ireland
Annie CALDWELL, wife, marr, 52, bookfolder, b Tradeston, LKS
Hugh CALDWELL, son, 15, message boy (grocer), b Blackfriars, LKS
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1917 DC 644-15. 464 (Hutchesontown)
Ann CALDWELL (71) d. 8 AUG 1917 at 176 Rutherglen Road, Glasgow.
Widower of Hugh CALDWELL, baker (journeyman).
Parents - Robert BARR (dcd) handloom weaver & Ann m/s GILLIES (dcd)
Informant - Hugh CALDWELL, son.
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Jack

[AnneMT]

Hi Anne,
You'll notice Ann's forename is as Mary, but that's what it says.....
Address is same as the 1881 census, where daur Ann was as Jane.
==
1881 DC 644-12. 855 (Gorbals)
Mary BARR [68] d. 28 OCT 1881 at 10 South Coburg Street, Glasgow.
Widow of Robert BARR, iron foundry labourer.
Parents - Donald GILLIES (dcd) printer & Mary m/s CHRYSTAL (dcd)
Informant - Ann CALDWELL, daur.
==
Jack

Hello Jack,
I am amazed, to say the least, that you found the death cert for Ann Gillies or Barr. I doubt if I would have got it so quickly.

I really am very grateful for this info. Another brick wall broken down.
Wish I had time to go online and download the certs. now, but unfortunately a couple of other things need my attention first. Will go online soon.

Thanks again for your help.

[AnneMT]

Hello again Jack

Just thought would mention, discovered why could not find Ann Barr at 31 Centre St. Using the info you gave, searched for the lodgers at this address, and found easily, but lodgers names were at top of a new page. The family were on previous page. Contacted GRO, as I was sure indexing was wrong. Indexing was as Bell not Barr. No wonder I could not find her. Got a refund, thankfully.

After your help with Ann's death, luck continued. Found death of husband Robert Barr....... Success - Feb 1861. I now have his parents details. Death was reported by a brother-in-law, so now have another lead. Now researching around 1780, my earliest period so far.

Thanks again

Hi Anne,

>1861 could not find the entry for 31 Centre Street. on SP. Did you find them elsewhere??
Ans - I found Ann BARR 50 and family in Des Garrity's useful 1861 LKS census name index.
Then, with the census number, took details from the microfilm at The Mitchell Library.

Jack

[Jack]

Hi Anne,
Thanks for the update, and glad you got a refund.
Barr as Bell indeed !
But saying that, Ancestry has Ann BARR as... Ann BUN

Well done that you've found Robert's DC!
Actually I didn't know you were still to find him - otherwise i could've had a wee look for him too!
I've got Barr ancestors myself (from Paisley) and they can be a bit difficult to find at times....

Wishing you continued success!
Cheers - Jack

[kc50]

Hi Ann

Just to add to your research and the 'unusual' Barr name and any possible connection of course!

I have a Margaret Barr c1857 Glasgow she married my ggggrandfather Robert Dyer c1853 in 1876 and died 1886 in Dennistoun Glasgow. She had sons Robert 1883, Andrew Barr 1881 daughters Margaret 1886 and Susan 1879.

Regards

Karen

[AnneMT]

Hi Ann

I have a Margaret Barr c1857 Glasgow she married my ggggrandfather Robert Dyer c1853 in 1876 and died 1886 in Dennistoun Glasgow. She had sons Robert 1883, Andrew Barr 1881 daughters Margaret 1886 and Susan 1879.

There are siblings of Mgt Barr (1827), whose details I am still researching. Can you tell me names of parents for your Margaret Barr (1857). Perhaps we can then find a connection.

Bye for now

[kc50]

Hello again

My Margaret Barr's parents were James and Martha. Don't have any info on them as yet.

Regards

Karen

[AnneMT]

Hello again

My Margaret Barr's parents were James and Martha. Don't have any info on them as yet.

Regards

Karen

Sorry I have not replied sooner. As yet, James and Martha, are not names which mean anything. If I come across any connection with your family, I will be in touch.