McCracken family.....

[Jack]

Hi Brenda,
These look like your family, but there is a big age diffference to your
John McCRACKEN aged 31 yrs that David found in 1881.
(making for a birth abt 1850)
Maybe he's just taken a few years off his age because of a younger wife.
(it can, and does, happen!)
John McCRACKEN, according to the censuses below, was born -
1840 (as 1 yr old on 1841 census - was this meant to be 6 yrs?)
1835 (as 16 yrs on 1851 census)
1835 (as 26 yrs on 1861 census)
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Later - I was in Partick today and dropped into the GWSFHS to look at the original 1841 census page.
The age is as 7 - so if these censuses are your family then John was born abt 1834 or 1835.
And his age on the 1865 MC to Agnes Miller may well bear this out - but might not!
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1841 census 594 Ed 15 p 9 (Girvan)
Dalrymple Street.
John McCRACKEN, 40, Baker J, b SCT
Jinet McCRACKEN, 40, ---------b AYR
Elen McCRACKEN, 15, ---------b SCT
John McCRACKEN, 7, ---------b AYR [changed 1 to 7]
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1851 census 594 (482) Ed 14 pp 8-9 (Girvan)
Dalrymple Street.
John McCRACKEN, head, 49, Master Baker emp. 3 men, b Glasgow, LKS
Janet McCRACKEN, wife, 50, Housekeeper, b Ballantrae, AYR
Helen HINT?, step-daur, 23, Dress Maker, b Glasgow, LKS [should be VINT?] could be, name has 4 letters and ends INT
John McCRACKEN, Junr, son, 16, Baker, b Colmonell, AYR
John McCULLOCH, servant, 23, Baker, b Dalmellington, AYR
Robert LIMON/SIMON, servant, 17, Baker, b Girvan, AYR [could be either name]
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1861 census 644-1 Ed 12 p 11 (Glasgow - St David)
18 North Albion Street.
Janet McCRACKEN, head, 72, ---------------- b Ballantrae, AYR [age shd probably be abt 60]
Hellen McCRACKEN, daur, 34, Housekeeper, b Glasgow, LKS
John McCRACKEN, son, 26, Store Keeper (Provision), b Colmonell, AYR
John McCREDIE, gr-son, 5,------------- b Girvan, AYR
John McCOLL, boarder, 20, Baker, b Girvan, AYR
Arthur A. JAMIESON, boarder, 17, Medical Student, b St. Pierre, Guernsey
Burn MOORE, boarder, 19, Medical Student, b Ireland
Mary DONALDSON, servant, 24, Table Maid, b Glasgow, LKS
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JOHN MCCREADIE VINT - Birth: 15 NOV 1855 Girvan, Ayr, Scotland
Parents: No Father - Mother ELLEN VINT.
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HELEN VINT - Birth: 19 MAR 1824 - Christening: 04 APR 1824 Gorbals, Lanark, Scotland
Parents: JAMES VINT & JANET MCREDY
(an LDS member lists in the IGI a marriage about 1822 Glasgow for James Vint & Janet McCreadie)
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Jack
ps, i'm wondering if your Janet McCREADIE is related to Jim McCreadie (TS member),
who's ancestors were also from the Ballantrae area....
Well, you never know....!
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[Brenda]

I'm totally overwhelmed by the kindness of all of you. In just a couple of days I've had more information that I have been able to glean in years. THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH.

Was going through the mess of papers last night and found a reference to a Jean McCracken. Chr. Colmonell Jan 13th 1832 , she MAY be John's sister as her parents names are John McCracken & Janet McCreadie
I will go through my wee bits and pieces of data and try to collate it with what you have provided.
Thanks again

Brenda

[DavidWW]

Just a thought..going by the date of death for Agnes McCracken Sr. and the birth date for her daughter {Agnes], wonder if she died in childbirth?

A sad tale.

Wee Agnes Miller McCRACKEN was born on 03Jul1873, and died 5 days later on 08Jul1873, the cause of death being shown as "Premature Birth". Her mother then died 5 weeks after her daughter's birth on 12Aug1873, the causes of death shown as "Child Birth 5 weeks, Dropsy 4 weeks", but "no immediate medical attendant", so who provided the info on the causes of death? A Peter Crawford M.D. certified the death of wee Agnes, so that you'd have imagined that he would also have been treating the mother.

The birth and deaths took place at 678 Duke Street.

For the actual register entries, - digitised images, - see www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk .

David

PS

I was completely knackered y'day evening after 3 hours of lecturing in the morning at the Strathclyde University Postgraduate Certificate course, never mind the three Six Nations matches taking my attention, - I regret that I just made it home in time to see the second half of Scotland's defeat by Italy , but then they're due it for over 5 decades worth of fish suppers , which is my feeble excuse for not posting last night that there was something in Jack's post which led me to conclude that the census entries he found, despite the age differences, were indeed the correct families.

What that was, in terms of the detail, I'm afraid that I can't now recall.

BTW, my post y'day morning was as Montrose Budie..........

dww

[Brenda]

Hello David,

Thank you very much for the information....Indeed a sad tale.

Think that John & Agnes were the parents of ..
Eliza Miller B 27-1-1866
James, B 15-4-1869
Agnes Miller B 03-7-1873

No wonder John remarried [Elizabeth Gibbon] less than a year after his wife's death with three wee weans to bring up!

[DavidWW]

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No wonder John remarried [Elizabeth Gibbon] less than a year after his wife's death with three wee weans to bring up!

Hi Brenda

Very common that a widower quite quickly remarried in terms of the needs of the existing wains, - that is, of course, if his extended family couldn't assist. But, most often, there was a further marriage.

David

[DavidWW]

Hello David,

Thank you very much for the information....Indeed a sad tale.

Think that John & Agnes were the parents of ..
Eliza Miller B 27-1-1866
James, B 15-4-1869
Agnes Miller B 03-7-1873

No wonder John remarried [Elizabeth Gibbon] less than a year after his wife's death with three wee weans to bring up!

Hi Brenda

You need to spend some credits at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk to look at the images of these births; the marriage of the parents; and the deaths of Agnes (senior) and wee Agnes Miller ................

David

[Brenda]

Hello Everyone,

I went through my paperwork last night and came across part of an email I received ages ago, unfortunately the senders address is missing.

Death 27th Dec 1873, 20 Hockwell/Hockweel Place Glasgow
Janet McCracken, age 66
Widow of:
1. ....Vint
2 John McCracken, Master baker

Cause of death aralysis 12 months

Parents : John McCreadie, farmer [deceased, & Janet McCreadie, [nee Fergo / Fergie?]

Info given to registrar by John McCracken, son

Where can I verify this?

[AndrewP]

Hi Brenda,

You can download a copy of the death certificate from http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk on a pay per view basis.

All the best,

AndrewP

[Brenda]

Thanks Andrew