Missing father - Robert Glass

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:16 pm

emanday wrote:So you're saying that when William Glass married Mary Shiels Moffat and gave his mother's maiden name as Clark, he made a mistake?

Knew he'd heard the name Clark somewhere, and put it in where it seemed to fit!

I'm betting on this guy for William's father:

1871
Oldhamstocks Mains, Oldhamstocks, East Lothian
Helen Clark, 59, head, born Kelso, Roxburghshire
Thomas Clark, 33, son, born Greenlaw, Berwickshire, Farmer Joint Tenant Of 613 Acres Arable Employing 17 Labrs And 1 Boy
Helen Clark, 31, daughter, born Greenlaw, Berwickshire
Robert Clark, 28, son, born Westruther, Berwickshire, Farmers Brother
Jane Clark, 22, daughter, born Westruther, Berwickshire
Adam Clark, 19, son, born Westruther, Berwickshire, Farmers Brother
Madeline Hunter, 22, servant, born Coldingham, Berwickshire, General Servt Domestic
John Peffers, 14, servant, born N K, Haddingtonshire, Farm Servt

Regards,
Sarah

maple23 · Post by **maple23** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:25 pm

emanday wrote:Ma heid hurts David, but I'm trying to concentrate

So you're saying that when William Glass married Mary Shiels Moffat and gave his mother's maiden name as Clark, he made a mistake?

your heid hurts, mine is postively birling

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I will read it all through and get back to you but first I would like to thank you all for this info, much appreciated

maple23 · Post by **maple23** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:30 pm

I am going to upload William and Mary's MC for info

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1146

Gallery url added by Marilyn

Post by **emanday** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:30 pm

Fear not Maple!

Out of the confusion shall come enlightenment [-o< [-o< [-o<

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:37 pm

SarahND wrote:Nice work, David!

I like puzzles, and I like keeping my hand in, which gives me a guid excuse to give SP a richt guid test....... even in the last 12 months some lurking glitches have been thrown up

, some not that insignificant, forbye.

SarahND wrote:I'm curious to find out what that RCE says...

So am I

, not least from the point of view that she went to the bother of a Sheriff Court action to prove wee Wullie's paternity ...... so was/were the father(s) of Robert and Isabella different, or the same, and if the latter duly supported by the faither as he weel kent whit she'd dae gin he didnae !! <g>

SarahND wrote:Another side note that puzzled me last night: In the 1861 census, Isabella's sister Peddie's birthplace is, according to ancestry OCR, Chernade From Birth, Berwicksh

I was wondering what it meant to be Chernade From Birth Some sort of hereditary condition? Then the birth record you give above shows that she was born in Chirnside. So... she was Chirnside from birth Whatever
Regards,
Sarah

The Guid Lord Forfend that we should have to work with Ancestry transcriptions, except that they do have more searchable fields

, and the image can always be checked on SP; and, let's be honest, maybe sometimes, for whatever reason it hadn't proved possible to locate the record on SP. I'm striving to the ultimate to be fair, but cannot resist commenting that, despite the reassurances that I've received from the very highest level about the extensive training that Ancestry data transcriber and inputter sub-contractors are compelled to undergo, I tend to lose faith in such reassurances when there are repeated and multiple failures such as here.

OK,

very much still in force, I can be persuaded, however reluctantly sometimes, to understand the output in terms of a less than ideal image, - faded, scored through, horrible hands, broken nib, whatever, but this particular example couldn't be clearer, and calls into question the level of training given as regards the understanding or lack thereof of just what is the content of the census enumeration books

A fairly simple and straightforward process one would had thought, n'est ce pa

I'd have hoped that there was a process in place where any problematic entry was referred up a level for a more expert look, and that should only be a very small proportion in the first place given the extensive training that I am assured by Ancestry takes place; with a further reference upwards for an even more expert look involving the extremely small remaining number of problematic entries, but I can't believe that such is a process used by Ancestry's sub-contractors

given what we've seen since Ancestry's 1841 Scottish index came on line ..................

This is yet another case of what I'm going to start calling "column confusion"

It's so simple a situation, it's laughable

(the strength of my feelings can be guaged by the number of

to date ..................)

The next column to the right is headed "Whether Deaf, Blind or Dumb".

It's so bl***y obvious, it's just not true

and yet more

, but the entry in the two columns is just so blatantly obviously.........

Do [for Berwicksh (sic)] Chirnside / Blind from Birth

See http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1147 to judge for youself ...............

David

maple23 · Post by **maple23** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:39 pm

eilthireach wrote:One of my cousins (3rd cousins) married into these Glasses, so I recognised the names. I know that you will find it very useful to look at the website of Roger and Lisa Moffat ... http://roger.lisaandroger.com and do a search for William Glass ...

interesting website, thanks for the link

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:44 pm

emanday wrote:Ma heid hurts David, but I'm trying to concentrate

So you're saying that when William Glass married Mary Shiels Moffat and gave his mother's maiden name as Clark, he made a mistake?

Wha kens ?!

I'm 99.5+% certain that his mammie wis born Isabella GLASS and that she merrit Thomas KERR sometime after producing wains William, Robert and Isabella with one or more faithers.

As to why the surname CLARK appears on his marriage register entry, I'm now staying stum until we see the info contained in the RCE entry for Wullie's birth register entry ...............

David

maple23 · Post by **maple23** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:47 pm

sorry, bit dense - RCE = ?

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:47 pm

maple23 wrote:
emanday wrote:Ma heid hurts David, but I'm trying to concentrate

So you're saying that when William Glass married Mary Shiels Moffat and gave his mother's maiden name as Clark, he made a mistake?

your heid hurts, mine is postively birling s

I will read it all through and get back to you but first I would like to thank you all for this info, much appreciated

Nae prob

Fully understood, having "been there" in terms of many such similar situations over the last 20+ years

Orraverybest

David

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:50 pm

maple23 wrote:sorry, bit dense - RCE = ?

Not dense at all! These abbreviations take some getting used to

See:

viewtopic.php?t=7488

The Register of Corrected Entries will presumably give information on the alleged paternity...

Regards,
Sarah