Searching for Ramsays from Fife.

[David Ramsay]

Hi Mary,
I do understand that, as looking back through the lists of all the ancestors I have managed to find to date, the same names keep repeating, but to be able to do that I need to find the children of the two possiable Ramsays. thats where I keep hitting the wall.
I just cant seem to find them.
I may be doing something wrong, I have only been researching for several months and have had to learn as I go along.
thanks again
David

[LesleyB]

Hi David

I may be doing something wrong, I have only been researching for several months and have had to learn as I go along.

You are not doing anything wrong!! But what we would really like to see are ALL the children born to your Thomas & Agnes (you may have more than Mary found on IGI....?) in birth order. The order that the children were named in is often the key to knowing what the grandparents were called.

Best wishes
Lesley

[emanday]

Hi David,

Just as an example (and a perfect one of the link I gave you)...

My brother, the oldest, was named after my father's father
My sister, next in line, oldest girl, named after my mother's mother
Me, the youngest and 2nd girl, was named after my father's mother.

On that basis, and if Thomas and agnes followed that pattern (and if there are no missing children)

Robert born 1721, first son (likely to be the firstborn from the marriage date) may have been named for his father's father - Robert
Agnes born 1727 and if she was the second daughter with no infant female deaths in between, may have been named for her father's mother.

Are either of your potential parent pairs Robert and Agnes?

[David Ramsay]

Hi LesleyB and Mary, sorry for the delay in replying.
The children listed were all that I also could find for Thomas.
Re: The first child being named etc. I fully understand that as well.
When I looked up Thomas's birth it gave 1695 but no parents.
I searched on SP and IGI and there was only two poss parents as I said before. James and Alexander both had sons called Thomas on that date, the only ones that I could find.
James was the last child of Thomas, and an Alexander was born to the second child of thomas, hope this makes sence!!.
If I could find children to the two maybe fathers I could probably see a pattern of names,
I would like to thank all for your help on this matter.
Thank you
David

[emanday]

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emanday

[LesleyB]

Hi David

Thomas ramsay born in baldinnie, Ceres, 1695

How did you arrive at the information above? Is his birth date worked out from an age given at death for instance? Did he state somewhere where he was born?

Just trying to work out how you have arrived at your brick wall.

Best wishes
Lesley

[David Ramsay]

Hi Lesley,
On the IGI his family group record and his marriage record to Agnes Russell both give his date of birth as about 1695 at Baldinnie, Ceres, fife.
I would like to thank you and everyone who has taken the time to help me out with this problem.
As I said earlier I havent been doing this family tree searching very long, and what I have discovered has been a marvelous learning thing for me.
I expect I am doing things wrong, but I will soon learn especialy with the amazing help I am getting here.
I have kept my searching to the paternal side as I dont think I would have been able to get back so far if I had branched off.
Thanks again
David

[emanday]

Hi David,

On IGI I have checked all the Thomas (all surnames) births for Ceres for 1695 +/- 5 years. There are 25, none with surname Ramsay.

The possibility has to be considered that his mother was not yet married when he was born and he is listed with her surname, which we don't know yet. In Scotland, if the parents later marry and can prove they were free to marry at the time of conception, the child's status changes from illegitimate to legitimate.

I also checked all Ramsay births in Ceres for the same period - there are none.

That could simply indicate that he only remembers living there as a child and assumed that was where he was born.

[LesleyB]

Hi David

On the IGI his family group record and his marriage record to Agnes Russell both give his date of birth as about 1695 at Baldinnie, Ceres, fife.

One thing to look out for: this group on the IGI are submissions. This means that the info has not been taken directly from the OPR, it has been submitted by a member of the LDS church, and as such it should be treated with caution. Within my own research and from what I've learned from others, many submissions are accurate ...and some are not to be trusted one inch...! (I've seen some dealing with my own family which are highly inaccurate!) Very often in these cases the place of birth has been estimated - usually it seems to be based on the place of marriage or the place where the children are born and is often expressesd in the format <of placename>

Your Thomas may have been born elsewhere - there are lots of them born in Fife at around the estimated time. I reckon your problem is going to be the same as many of us have once we are as far back as that - finding a likely candidate then (the hard bit...) proving it!

Best wishes
Lesley

[LesleyB]

Hi David
Fife Death Index has :

• Thomas RAMSAY
  date of death: 2 Jul 1776, aged 84
  feuar Baldinny, Husband of Agnes Russell
  (taken from a monumental inscription)

IF the age at death is accurate, and it may not be, that makes dob abt 1692.
The same source states Agnes Russell died 9 Feb 1763, aged 65 and their son Robert (husband of Janet Walker) died 27 Nov 1801, aged 80 and that Janet died 5 Jul 1829 (no age given).
All the above from a monumental inscription. This is confirmed in the Mitchell & Mitchell MI book for the NE parishes of Fife. I know Ceres well - if I am passing that way, I'll have a look and see if the grave stone is still in place and legible. (according to the map it is just to the right of the gate). If it is there I'll try to take a photo for you, but it may be a couple of weeks till I'm passing in that direction.

Best wishes
Lesley