Adamson/Black of Fife

RChristopher · Post by **RChristopher** » Fri May 18, 2007 11:44 am

Hi Lesley

Thanks for the information - it sounds most interesting and definitely worth looking into. I suppose that if the parish "legitimised" their relationship in 1800, it would have lessened the pressure on them to get married straight away, but I can't imagine the second child went down very well!

Best wishes
Richard

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri May 18, 2007 12:38 pm

hi Richard

I suppose that if the parish "legitimised" their relationship in 1800, it would have lessened the pressure on them to get married straight away, but I can't imagine the second child went down very well!

The parish, in most cases, would require them to be married pretty much on the spot if they could not provide proof of a relevant marriage, before a child would be accepted for christening.

It was quite possible to be legally married, but not married in the eyes of the church... usually if there was any doubt (e.g. if they had come from a different parish) proof of their marriage would be asked for, so I'm a bit puzzled by the situation you describe...

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri May 18, 2007 12:42 pm

Hi Richard

and I can't find any record at all of Wilhelmina being born/baptized.

01/01/1802 ADAMSON MINEY DAVID ADAMSON/WILLIAMINA BLACK F Kilconquhar /FIFE 436/ 0030
But the above record has "no image"

Best wishes
Lesley

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Fri May 18, 2007 12:46 pm

RChristopher wrote:Hi Lesley

Thanks for the information - it sounds most interesting and definitely worth looking into. I suppose that if the parish "legitimised" their relationship in 1800, it would have lessened the pressure on them to get married straight away, but I can't imagine the second child went down very well!

Best wishes
Richard

The subtlety here is that they could well have been perfectly validly married in the eyes of Scots Law, but not so in terms of the Established Church of Scotland, or, equally so, other Scottish presbyterian churches, - see http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3726 quoted above in Lesley's reply.

Just to add to the possible complications of the situation, it could well have been the case that they were perfectly legally married in the eyes of, say, the original Secession Church, or one of the the many other breakway presbyterian churches, - see http://talkingscot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7931 for a simplified description of the situation

, but that this marriage wasn't regarded as "legal" by the Established Church of Scotland

David

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Fri May 18, 2007 7:20 pm

Hi Richard
Your Adamsons are really puzzling me even more now....
Children from SP (LDs site is down for maintenance

) :

Parents: David Adamson & Williamina/ Wilmina /Wilhelmina Black

Agnes Adamson Kilconquhar 08/02/1800
Miney Adamson Kilconquhar 01/01/1802
George Adamson Leith North 15/08/1811
James Adamson Leith North 01/06/1813
David Adamson Leith North 15/06/1815
William Adamson Elie 13/07/1817
John Fernie Adamson Elie 17/07/1819
Robert Adamson Elie16/06/1821

There appears to be a big gap between 1802 & 1811... and for some reason I'm not seeing the Janet you mentioned in 1807...? If I search I can find a Janet Adamson born Kilconquhar in 1807, but the other parent's name does not seem to be Black 'cos if you put that in the search it says there are none matching that description.

Without a look at the actual OPR records, I doubt I'm going to get this mystery untangled, and my remaining credits just aint gonna run to all that lot!!

Best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat May 19, 2007 12:11 am

Later:
IGi is back up $\:D/$
Found Janet as an extract. Not clear why she does not seem to show on SP with other parent as Black...?

JANET ADAMSON
Female
Christening: 18 DEC 1807 Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland
Parents:
Father: DAVID ADAMSON Family
Mother: WILLIAM MINA BLACK

Post by **AndrewP** » Sat May 19, 2007 6:17 am

Hi Richard & Lesley,

She is there on SP.

18/12/1807 ADAMSON JANET DAVID ADAMSON/WILLIAM F Kilconquhar /FIFE 436/ 0030 0309

The IGI has it right, the mother is written as William Mina Black.

However SP has it wrong in the index, the mother is down as William (no surname) so if you include Black as part of the search criteria you will not find her.

All the best,

Andrew

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat May 19, 2007 9:48 am

Hi Andrew
Thanks for that. That explains why I just wasn't finding her using Black as parent name....

Best wishes
Lesley