McVeiny?.....

[sheilajim]

Hi Davie

I agree with what you said.

I was also astonished to find an Irish Connection in this branch of my mother's family. The weird thing is that she seemed to consider them Scottish and not really Irish at all.

The real Irish line was supposed to be from Letiticia Morin McDonald, but so far I haven't found any Irish connection in her case.

I wonder what it was that made in her mind, some people Irish and others Scottish.




Sheila

[Jack]

Hi Sheila,
Came across this in a drafts folder; must've been lying there a wee while....
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Very possibly a red herring, but does no harm in knowing of this family.
Could James KENNEDY be in some way connected to your Jonathan?
Not many Jonathan Kennedys about, and two daurs have the middle name of BENNIE - one of them an Agnes.
But it may all be just coincidence - so please don't take it that this James is definitely related !
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JAMES KENNEDY
ELIZABETH REID
Marriage: 18 MAR 1849 Barony, Lanark, Scotland

Some children,
ELIZABETH KENNEDY - Birth ~1850
DAUR - Birth abt 24 MAR 1851 [d young?]
JONATHAN KENNEDY - Birth: 28 NOV 1855 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland [d young?]
DAVID KENNEDY - Birth: 23 OCT 1857 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JAMES KENNEDY - Birth: 15 MAY 1859 Calton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland [d young?]
GEORGE MONTEITH KENNEDY - Birth: 24 FEB 1861 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
MARGARET BENNIE KENNEDY - Birth: 29 JUL 1862 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JONATHINA KENNEDY - Birth: 19 SEP 1864 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
AGNES BENNIE KENNEDY - Birth: 15 JUN 1866 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JOHN PRIDE KENNEDY - Birth: 29 NOV 1869 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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1851 cens 644-1 (548) Ed 20 p 6 (St Davids)
413 Parliamentary Rd.
James KENNEDY, head, marr, 20, baker, b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth KENNEDY, wife, 20, -------- b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth KENNEDY, daur, 1, --------, b Glasgow, LKS
Infant KENNEDY, daur, 6days, b Glasgow, LKS
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1861 644-3 Ed 11 p 8 (Bridgeton - St. John)
41 Marborough St (backland).
James KENNEDY, head, marr, 36, baker, b Glasgow
Elizabeth KENNEDY, wife, 34, --------- b Glasgow
Elizabeth KENNEDY, daur, 11, clipper (cloth), b Glasgow
David KENNEDY, son, 3, --------- b Glasgow
Mary KENNEDY, daur, 15, domestic servant, b Glasgow
George M. KENNEDY, son, 1mo, --------- b Glasgow
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Next is daur Elizabeth in 1881 (parents possibly deceased?).

1881 Census Place:Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 66 Brook St
Source: FHL Film 0203634 GRO Ref Volume 644-2 EnumDist 36 Page 8
Robert LOGAN M 30 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Yarn Dresser
Elizabeth LOGAN M 29 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife
Wm. LOGAN 8 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son
Agnes LOGAN 1 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur
Margaret KENNEDY U 18 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Sister In Law Occ: Winder
Johnathina KENNEDY U 16 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Sister In Law Occ: Winder
John KENNEDY U 11 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Brother In Law
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Jack

[sheilajim]

Hi Jack

Wow! What can I say?

I just printed your last post on to my printer. This is something I am going to research right now! I think that, with those names the way they are, there must be a connection. As you said, there aren't many "Jonathans" out there. Of course, it could be, as you say, coincidence, but it I will have fun checking to see if these are some new Aunts and Uncles. (I have been having problems tracing Uncles and Aunts).

I am more confused than ever about Jonathan Kennedy's first wife's name though. s

Jack, you really are a marvel.

Thank you so much.

Sheila

[sheilajim]

Hi Jack

Here I am again. I looked at James Kennedy's Death Certificate and he is neither a brother nor a son to my Jonathan Kennedy. Neither he nor his wife's Death Certificates give a clue as to where the name Bennie or Jonathan come from though, so that is still a mystery.

I am going to file these under possible cousins. Maybe in the future, I will find a connection.

Thank you again for your interest and your help.

Sheila

[Jack]

Hi Sheila,

My apologies for the useless info.
I admit i did have my doubts, but thought you'd better at least know of the family - i would've felt terrible if they had been connected to your family and i'd not bothered mentioning them.

Just trying to justify my mistake!!

Jack

[sheilajim]

Hi Jack

Apologize! You can't be serious. Everything about that family pointed to a connection. It is possible that there indeed is one, though I probably won't be able to find out until SP puts the rest of their records online. Besides, I had fun looking them up.

Thanks Jack

Sheila

[Jack]

Thanks Sheila,

I just didn't like the idea of you spending your hard earned cash for nothing!

Maybe i'm just a typical Paisley Buddy when it comes to money.
Apparently we make those good folk from NE Scotland look like spendthrifts

Jack

[isobelc]

Hi Sheila,

I've had a look at the 1859 marriage cert. for Agnes Kennedy and Henry McLaren and also Agnes's death certificate. I'm fairly sure that on both certificates the first letter of her mother's maiden surname is V and not B (if you compare it to other capital letter B's on the same page you will see there is a slight difference) and that the ms on the marriage certificate is Veany and on the death cert. is Venie.

I also note that Agnes Boyd (McLaren) is listed as Agnes Boyd on the 1881 census. This may be a pointer to the fact that she wasn't actually married to Henry, despite what all the certificates say. There is certainly no evidence of a marriage to tie up with the info. on the childrens' birth certs.

Regards,
Isobel

[sheilajim]

Hi Isobel, Hi Jack,

Isobel, the name Veany or Venie, makes more sense than Binnie. At least it ties in better with McVeany!

I agree that a formal marriage between Agnes Boyd and Henry McLaren is pretty iffy. I've looked everywhere and haven't found any record of a marriage. I don't even know if it was legal in Scotland at that time to marry your wife's niece.

As for the 1881 Census, I don't put as much stock in what has been recorded or transcribed. For instance the 3 grandchildred listed as McLaurie, should I believe be listed as McLaren. Also the 3 year old listed as Marg. McLaurie, should I believe be listed as Mary McLaren.

Jack, I got those 2 Death Certificates on the first try, so I didn't waste much money. I don't know how many credits I spent trying to find GGrandfather John Dunn McDonald's Death Certificate. I went through almost every John McDonald, who died in Renfrewshire between 1897 and 1920 before I finally found him. I did this over a period of about 2 months, very frustrating, but rewarding when I did find him though. Now I'm in the same position with his father's Death Certificate. Same name, but probably in Sterling.

Thanks you two

Sheila