Mary Stevenson or Mary Stevens born about 18.....

[Jack]

Hi Steph,

This is only a POSSIBILITY for Archibald - right occupation though. Born SCT, ie outside Lanarkshire - somewhere in Scotland....
Still no sign of him in 1851 though. Looks like you've a difficult task in pinning "your" Archibald down.
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1841 cens 622 Ed 57 p 3 (Barony - Blythswood)
Buchanan St.
// Angus CAMERON, 45, labourer in calender, b SCT
Elisabeth CAMERON, 40, --------- b SCT
Janet CAMERON, 15, cotton power loom weaver, b LKS
Grace CAMERON, 13, ----------- b LKS
Duncan CAMERON, 7, ---------- b LKS
Margaret CAMERON, 5, --------- b LKS
/ James PORTER, 20, labourer in calender, b LKS
George McDOUGALL, 18, painter, b SCT
Robert McDOUGALL, 15, smith apprentice, b SCT
ARCHIBALD STEVENSON, 15, smith apprentice, b SCT
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Jack

[stephlangan]

Hi Jack

We might be getting closer. I know that in my research notes I have seen Blythswood appear when I have looked up Archibald - maybe it was on the LDS - I'll check into that and let you know. Is Blythswood out by Stirling as I have seen ( I think) that pop up too.? But between you and me I still think he's an alien.

Thanks for help in locating Archie!!!!

Steph

[stephlangan]

Hi Jack

I played around on the IGI from the Family Search website and found the following...

Archibald Stevenson b Aug 8 1825 Glasgow,
Parents James Stevenson, Grace McCallum

Sister Grace Stevenson b June 27 1823 Glasgow
married Thomas McEwen July 9 1844.

When I first found Archie on the IGI in his marrage listing to Ann McIlvoy it said that his date of birth was about 1827 Glasgow - so I think there is a good chance this may be him. I recall about two years ago when the name Archibald Stevenson/Stevens appeared in my research I thought it was going to be a piece of cake to track him down, I was finally moving away from the name John, James, and Thomas that appear in the tree. Little did I know......

I had no luck in finding a marriage for the parents - yet - but once I feel a bit more comfortable that this is him I will chance that down.

Now my goal is to try and find dear old Archie in the 1831 and 1851 census and some record of his daughters birth in the 1850s...I'm off to do somemore hunting.

Steph

[AndrewP]

Now my goal is to try and find dear old Archie in the 1831 and 1851 census and some record of his daughters birth in the 1850s...I'm off to do somemore hunting.

Without any wish to disappoint you, you will not find the 1831 census of any use, if you can find it at all. All that remains of it are the statistical summaries, so no names, ages, or the like.

Good luck with your hunting, but for censuses of Scotland, it can only be in 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901. Only 1871, 1891 and 1901 are available online as images of the pages of the census books. 1881 is available as transcriptions.

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[stephlangan]

Andrew

Thanks!!!

[Jack]

Hi Steph,
Not sure where to post this!, or even if you've already looked at this 1881 census.
This might be Ann STEVENS b1862 to Archibald & Ann McAVOY.
The reason being that there is a short Poor Law record for her in 1884 - occupation was mill worker.
I'll need to send you a pm with the details.
The record does say that her parents were deceased - we know Ann was (1868), but Archibald too? Big question!
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1881 Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 63 Reid Street
Source: FHL Film 0203631 GRO Ref Volume 644-1 EnumDist 56 Page 3
Thos. SCOTT M 56 M Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Carter
Jane SCOTT M 46 F Elderslie, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Wife
Thomas SCOTT U 24 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Coal Miner
James SCOTT M 22 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Coal Miner
Ellan HEWSON 21 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daughter In Law Occ: Cotton Winder
Maggie SCOTT U 15 F Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Cotton Mill Worker
Jane SCOTT 13 F Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Cotton Mill Worker
Alexander SCOTT 9 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Mary SCOTT 5 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Anna SCOTT 3 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur
Anna STEVSON U 19 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Cotton Mill Worker
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Surely Ellan HEWSON isn't a very poor transcription for Ellen STEVENS? Clutching at straws!
Do you know who Ellen b1860 did marry?

Jack
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ps, i've now looked at the original 1881 film - Ellan's name looks more like STEVSON rather than HEWSON.

[stephlangan]

Hi Jack

You are bang on with this...I bought some credits on SP and found that Ellen Stevenson married James Scott on Oct 15th 1880.( witnesses were William Stevenson and Isabella Fullerton -so brother still in Glasgow)

From the info that you send me regarding Ann Stevenson ( married to Frederick Lawrence) I decided to chase her death certificate down - she died on April 16 1898 and the informant was William Stevenson Brother - I found him marrying an Isabella Fullerton on November 26th 1880. I have him on the 1891 census but he died on July 11 1898. It appears that Ann never had more chidlren - shame.

The only person missing is the youngest brother John.

I think that I will give up on Archibald Stevens for a while - YOUR logic is probably right in that his birth is not registered so I am unlikely to ever be able to trace the Stevenson/Stevens line back further. I have a tendancy to lose focus sometimes and miss the obvious clues - its cost me a fair bit on SP- but its been fun.

Have a great weekend - thanks again for all you assistance.

Steph

[Jack]

Hi Steph,
Glad to hear you've got some new family to search for!

Was father Archibald as deceased on Ellen STEVENSON's 1880 MC to James SCOTT?
and on William STEVENSON's 1880 MC to Isabella FULLERTON?

What was William's address & occupation on his MC?
Just to try and find him in 1881. [later - please see below]

Ta - Jack
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ps, is this William?
1881 Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 246 Nuneaton St
Source: FHL Film 0203632 GRO Ref Volume 644-1 EnumDist 83 Page 18
William STEVENSON M 23 M England Rel: Head Occ: Coalminer
Isabella STEVENSON M 23 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife
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and John?
1881 Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 82 Main St
Source: FHL Film 0203644 GRO Ref Volume 644-4 EnumDist 80 Page 7
Jessie MC AVOY W 26 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Lappet Weaver (Power)
John STEVENSON U 23 M England Rel: Boarder Occ: Coal Miner
Elizabeth MORGAN U 50 F Duntocher, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Throstler (Cotton Mill)
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[stephlangan]

Hi Jack

That them....Williams' occ on MC is Coalminer, living at 187 Bartholomew Street...1891 Census was living at 251 Neweaton Street with wife and 4 children. Just as an aside, William lists himself born in England in 1881 but born in Glasgow on 1891.

And as for John..since I don't have much on him except that he was born in England and his mothers maiden name was McAvoy, I think its safe to day that this is him. Don't have a clue how Jessie McAvoy fits in so I will chase that down. ( maybe a cousin??!!). Hope I don't find that Jessie and John marry after all the other surprises that have turned up in this family

Brilliant work again Sherlock Jack !!!! Can't thank you enough!!!

Steph

P.S Checked all documents again and Archibald is listed as deceased on all of them - Ellens MC and also Williams'.

[Jack]

Hi Steph,
You'll have noticed that Jessie McAVOY (26) was a WIDOW in 1881. Here's one suggestion as to who she might be.

That Jessie married a son (John?) of James McAVOY (Ann's brother).
That son would be John STEVENSON's 1st cousin - so Jessie would only be related through marriage (but who knows!).

As she is a young widow of 26, and apparently no children (yet), i could presume she wasn't too long married and hubby had died fairly soon after their marriage? Guessing on this.
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The IGI has this, and i'm not saying it IS Ann's brother - but it's got possibilities at the moment.
In 1851 James McAVOY was a 24yr old coal miner.

JAMES MCAVOY
JOAN JOHNSTON
Marriage: 10 JUN 1852 Barony, Lanark, Scotland

Chn -
MARY ~ 1852
JANET ~ 1854
ANN MCAVOY - Birth: 13 JUN 1856 Govan, Lanark, Scotland
JOHN MCAVOY - Birth: 05 JAN 1859 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
ANN MCAVOY - Birth: 08 MAR 1861 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
HUGH CALDERT MCAVOY - Birth: 02 JUL 1863 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
PETER MCAVOY - Birth: 09 OCT 1865 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JAMES GOW MCAVOY - Birth: 13 JAN 1868 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
JOAN MCVOY - Birth: 29 JAN 1869 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
JANE MCAVOY - Birth: 21 MAY 1871 Rutherglen, Lanark, Scotland
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1861 cens 644-2 Ed 98 p 14 (High - St John) [no more details just now] [now added]
64 Foundry Open.
James McAVOY, head, marr, 34, collier, b Glasgow, LKS
Joan McAVOY, wife, marr, 33, ------- b Glasgow, LKS
Mary McAVOY, daur, 9, --------- b Glasgow, LKS
Janet McAVOY, daur, 7, ------- b Glasgow, LKS
John McAVOY, son, 2, -------- b Glasgow, LKS
Ann McAVOY, daur, 1mo, ---- b Glasgow, LKS
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1881 Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Dwelling: 9 Norman St
Source: FHL Film 0203631 GRO Ref Volume 644-1 EnumDist 62 Page 5
James MC AVOY M 55 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner
Joan MC AVOY M 54 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Cotton Weaver
Ann MC AVOY U 20 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Cotton Weaver
Joan MC AVOY U 12 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar
Jane MC AVOY U 10 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar
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All these addresses in 1881 are very close to one another in Bridgeton.

Jack
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edited to add 1861 census details.