Martin Family Scotland

CMARTIN1971 · Post by **CMARTIN1971** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:14 pm

How wonderful for you both Russell, I do live in hope of a match but it appears noone is searching the Martin side or the Allen side

I too now have a big box (my treasure box i call it) of all the paperwork I have on my family, BC/MC/DC, my Grandads army record book he carried in WW2, his first drivers license! my only wish that i had a photo of William and Emma, it would have been so nice given his sacrifice, all i know of him was he was tall (6'7!!!) dark haired and blue eyes, the whole story of them is so tragic, she never got over him and cried at the window every rememberance day for him, and then to be killed in an Air Raid in WW2, so sad....one day i shall meet them at last, until that day i shall try to find his family and in a way keep his memory alive in my Tree Research

ROY M · Post by **ROY M** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:33 am

Hi Claire
Boy do you have a difficult one.
Can you tell me where you got the name James for Williams father, was it from an official document or from the family.
The birth of William in Aberdeen that Andrew mentions which I also think is the correct one, the fathers name is William.

William Martin
1882-December 28th-4 AM-32 Wellington Road, Aberdeen
F-William Martin-Stone Cutter, Journeyman.
M-Sarah Jane Martin m/s Taylor
Married-1881-April 20th-Manchester
Informant-William Martin-Father.

The date for the marriage I think is given wrongly as I think this might have been a nescesary marriage.

William Martin and Sarah Jane Taylor were married in the Apr/May/Jun quarter of 1882 in Chorlton 8C939.

I'm still looking at this for you as there are a couple of strange coincidences with my own Aberdeen Martins. I have an Alexander Martin whose father-in-law was a stone mason called Ross. Alexander at some time added Taylor as a middle name to his own and also had a daughter called Jane Ann Taylor Martin.
I can't see a direct contact at the moment but I'll keep looking for you.
By the way I am a Martin.

CMARTIN1971 · Post by **CMARTIN1971** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:21 am

Hello Roy, nice to meet a fellow Martin (even if we have no connection)

Information i have is CWGC William Martin age unknown born Aberdeen died 1917 (at home of injuries recieved whilst fighting abroard after being shipped home). Scot Memorial also has him listed, so he MUST have been born Aberdeen... now 1911 and his marraige cert shows he is 2 years younger then his wife who was born 1881 on census's but actually born 1880.....

1914 Twin girls born B'ham residance unknown.

1911 He's living with his wife Emma nee Allen in Chorlton on the Medlock YOB1883 POB Aberdeen. occupation Electrician

1904 From first born daughter Janet's BC living Castle Street Manchester occupation a window cleaner

1903 Marriage Certificate he's a waiter states Father James a Mason (deceased) as his father may have died when he was young had he forgotten his name? or did his father prefer to be called James? I am not sure, but it sure is proving difficult, I have searched to no avail to find a pension record or army record for him anywhere that has survived! that may hold some key to this, i have emailed the cemetary where he is commemorated in Birmingham and had no response after more then a week now

his wifes memorial card states she's interred in a Family Plot, being buried in 1941 i have no idea where the plot is and it's a big cemetary to trail and search every plot, if it is marked!? Witness's Charles Riley and Rachel Brown (I thought these may hold a clue but can't find them on census's)

The only other information i know is he has sisters who came regularly to visit his widow and money was sent down to her in the form of a clothing and food allowance to help her with the children... now who or where did this money come from? His family stayed in Scotland as far as i'm aware, and there is a William 1901 with mother widow who could be Sarah Martin now as Herbert... I have no idea, I could be following the wrong line, it is so hard to know, and noone anywhere has him in their tree

I need a miracle

I am just hoping a Martin out there somewhere reads this and recognises some names or information.

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:18 am

ROY M wrote: The birth of William in Aberdeen that Andrew mentions which I also think is the correct one, the fathers name is William.

Then is he the William Martin, son of Robert and Elizabeth who was in England in 1881? It makes sense since he was born in Manchester, but I wonder why the baby was born in Aberdeen.

1881
89 Upper Medlock, Hulme, Lancashire
Robert Martin, Head, 51, Police Officer, born Scotland
Elizabeth Martin, Wife, 52, born Scotland
William Martin, Son, 21, Stone Mason, born Lancashire, Manchester
Jannet E, Martin, Dau, 15, Home born Lancashire, Manchester
John R Martin, Son, 10, Scholar born Lancashire, Manchester

All the best,
Sarah

CMARTIN1971 · Post by **CMARTIN1971** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:40 am

Thanks for that Sarah, it's deffinately something that needs following up... I just don't understand it all at all.... Nan said he got the job in the theatre as his siblings were in this trade, no famly who were deceased were ever mentioned, Nan knew his wifes father Thomas and brother Thomas, but she never mentioned her mother, and Williams parent's names were never mentioned.....

I did wonder if there was a clue in his childrens names.. Janet, Lizzie, Mary, William, Ethel and Marguerite?? They all seem quite traditional names until the last daughter, where did her name spring from?

If the 1901 census's with Sarah Herbert is the right William then it shows siblings, a Robert and Elizabeth(also born Scotland) along with a half sister Ethel ........ Could Robert be after his fathers dad? and Elizabeth his mother? it does seem to fit doesn't it and parents born Scotland...why did he not know his fathers name? Or did the vicar make a mistake and put James? so many questions... I wonder if there is a way to check the address on that Birth Registration to see who else is living there in 1881???? Maybe that will give us a clue, who knows, i am driving myself crazy trying to work this one out thats for sure

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:11 am

I wonder if there is a way to check the address on that Birth Registration to see who else is living there in 1881????

You can search the Scottish 1881 by address online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk if you use the LDS version of the 1881
You can search the English 1881 by address on Ancestry
You can serach the English 1881 free (but not by address) at www.familysearch.org.uk
...and you can search the 1881 census by address if you use the 1881 LDS census CDROM disks, available to use at many local libraries, usually those libraries who have some kind of family history collection.

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:18 am

LesleyB wrote: You can search the Scottish 1881 by address online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk if you use the LDS version of the 1881

Thanks, Lesley, I didn't know that! Thought you had to have a name to search SP.

In 1881 the inhabitants of 32 Wellington St are Peter Muskar, 76, born Tarves, Aberdeenshire, Gen Grocer and his wife Janet, age 66, born Carmichael, Lanarkshire.

There is a Martin family at 33 Wellington St-- close enough?

33 Wellington St, Old Machar, Aberdeen
Alexander Martin, 59, Head, born Woodside, Abdnsh, Steam Eng Fitter (Unemployed)
Eliza Martin, 27, Daughter, born London, England, Woolen Weaver
Mary Martin, 25, Daughter, born London, England, Woolen Weaver
George Martin, 18, Son, born Woodside, Abdn, House Carpenter Appce
Susan Martin, 14, Daughter, born Woodside, Abdn, Woolen Weaver

The odd thing is that these are grouped as a family, but only Alexander has the Wellington St address. The others have 2 Tanfield Wlk

Something odd with Ancestry, no doubt

There are some Taylors on the street also, at number 23:

1881
23 Wellington St, Old Machar, Aberdeenshire
William Taylor, 60, Head, born Forgue, Abdn Sh, Mkr Gardn 7 A Empl 2 M
Ann Taylor, 63, Wife, born Skene, Abdn Sh
Isabella Taylor, 30, Daughter, born Woodside, Abdn Sh, At Home
Elizabeth Murray, 30, Daughter, born St Fergus, Abdn Sh, General Serv At Home

Well, don't know what you can do with all those, but there they are

Regards,
Sarah

CMARTIN1971 · Post by **CMARTIN1971** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:38 am

Lesley thanks for that i had searched 1881 on ancestry by Road Address but must have missed the Martin Family entry...

Thanks Sarah, i'm now trying to trace back Robert and Elizabeth and their children you found, have them in Chorlton in 1871 still, but don't seem to be able to find them in 1861 .. the only david i can find is born to Alexander and Elizabeth. It is hard tracing them back and the first 3 children are born Scotland from that census entry, so why can't i find them? Or have i driven myself batty with all this searching i can't see the wood for the trees

I wonder is Alexander Roberts brother? William born Aberdeen and Robert and Eliz, something made him go back there (assuming we have the right William and William???

ROY M · Post by **ROY M** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:03 pm

Hi Claire
Roy again
I think you're on the right trail. William Martin who was married to Sarah Jane Taylor died in Torry, Kincardineshire in 1892. Torry is on the opposite bank of the river Dee from Aberdeen.
On the death certificate Nigg Kincardineshire 1892-266/00 0026 his parents are shown as the names Sarah gives.
F-Robert Martin-Police Constable
M-Elizabeth Martin m/s Young

In the 1891 census for Nigg
William Martin-age31-stone cutter-born England
Sarah Jane Martin-age29-Wife-born England
William Martin-age8-son-born Aberdeen
Robert Martin-age4-son-born England
Grace Taylor-age8-niece-born-England

William the son would only be 8 when his father died. Is it possible Sarah remarried and the new husband was a James.

CMARTIN1971 · Post by **CMARTIN1971** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:40 pm

Roy you are an absolute Star!!!! His moms new husband was James Herbert! so now between you, you have cracked it wide open!! I am absolutely amazed!! thank you so much, I had been searching the illusive 1891 for a while and you found it, maybe James was also a Mason and worked with William! makes sense now... now to find Robert and his wifes place of birth and trace them to the 1861 and hopefully further back

I am not going mad haha