Hi Alastair,
The 1851 census shows the family in Lochbroom with eight children. The 1861 census shows them (no longer in Lochbroom) with six children, three of them that were in the 1851 census and three born since then.
All the best,
AndrewP
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This looks like it could be the Lochbroom lot in 1841, from Freecen
Address: Achendrean
ELLIOT William M 35 Agricultural Labourer Unknown
ELLIOT Margaret F 30 Unknown
ELLIOT James M 5 Ross and Cromarty
ELLIOT Margaret F 3 Ross and Cromarty
ELLIOT Janet F 2 Ross and Cromarty
CAMPBELL Marion F 15 Female Servant Ross and Cromarty
Address: Achendrean
ELLIOT William M 35 Agricultural Labourer Unknown
ELLIOT Margaret F 30 Unknown
ELLIOT James M 5 Ross and Cromarty
ELLIOT Margaret F 3 Ross and Cromarty
ELLIOT Janet F 2 Ross and Cromarty
CAMPBELL Marion F 15 Female Servant Ross and Cromarty
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Snap Andrew - sounds like it is the same family in 1841, then 1851 with more children. 
Maybe Alistair can confirm if this is the family he has been following in the census records he mentioned.
Maybe Alistair can confirm if this is the family he has been following in the census records he mentioned.
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Hi Lesley,
Yes the three children on the 1841 census all show up on the 1851 census. The census info also goes along with the detail on the 1855 birth certificates that says they have 6 boys and 5 girls living.
All the best,
AndrewP
Yes the three children on the 1841 census all show up on the 1851 census. The census info also goes along with the detail on the 1855 birth certificates that says they have 6 boys and 5 girls living.
All the best,
AndrewP
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Adam Elliot married Jane Mckenzie in 1880 in Shontiau ( Spelling ) in the county of Argyle he was aged 31 whic puts his birth at 1849. His Parents are listed as William Elliot (deceased) and Margaret Nicol.
I have found more out...I believe I may have both Williams and Margarets death certificates. Margaret died in 1899 aged 88 and William died in 1868 aged 66. Williams death would make sense as he is listed as deceased when Adam got married in 1880. Both Williams and Margarets place of death was KINLOCH. If you refer to the start of this link I was looking for Margaret Jane Elliot and she is listed as being in KINLOCH BY LAIRG, I wonder if this is a link to a family base ?
The scottishpeoples reference for William Elliot's death is 049/010008 and for Margaret it's 049/01 0001 if that helps.
I cannot for the life of me make out ther writing to say who Williams parents were though !
The 1851 census states that William was from Dunfrieshire I think and that Margaret (May as listed) was from Northumberland they had several children and Adam is listed as being 1 years old so would make sense that he was 31 in 1880 when he was married. The 1861 census lists Adam as 11 and also confirms his parents as from the same areas Dunfies and Northumberland so I am pretty sure they're acurate - UNLESS I HAVE A TOTALLY WRONG FAMILY !! but I don't think I have.
As I say i can't make out the writing of Williams death certificate to name his parents and was hoping his marriage certificate might of been clearer.
Alastair
I have found more out...I believe I may have both Williams and Margarets death certificates. Margaret died in 1899 aged 88 and William died in 1868 aged 66. Williams death would make sense as he is listed as deceased when Adam got married in 1880. Both Williams and Margarets place of death was KINLOCH. If you refer to the start of this link I was looking for Margaret Jane Elliot and she is listed as being in KINLOCH BY LAIRG, I wonder if this is a link to a family base ?
The scottishpeoples reference for William Elliot's death is 049/010008 and for Margaret it's 049/01 0001 if that helps.
I cannot for the life of me make out ther writing to say who Williams parents were though !
The 1851 census states that William was from Dunfrieshire I think and that Margaret (May as listed) was from Northumberland they had several children and Adam is listed as being 1 years old so would make sense that he was 31 in 1880 when he was married. The 1861 census lists Adam as 11 and also confirms his parents as from the same areas Dunfies and Northumberland so I am pretty sure they're acurate - UNLESS I HAVE A TOTALLY WRONG FAMILY !! but I don't think I have.
As I say i can't make out the writing of Williams death certificate to name his parents and was hoping his marriage certificate might of been clearer.
Alastair
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Hi Alastair,
The place name on the 1880 marriage certificate is Strontian.
current OS map showing Strontian (or Sron an t-Sithein as the map shows the Gaelic translation)
On the 1868 death certificate, the parents names are Matthew Elliot (weaver) deceased, and Euphemia Elliot (ms. Hinglewood) deceased. [could equally be Hinzlewood].
Kinloch can be seen on the old OS maps in the Scourie district of Eddrachillis Parish; a fair distance out of Scourie village in this large district, on the road towards Lairg.
1910 OS map showing Kinloch
current OS map showing Kinloch
The censuses and 1855 birth certificate place the father's birthplace as Glendinning in Westerkirk Parish in Dumfries-shire.
1890s OS map showing Glendinning, Westerkirk Parish
current OS map showing Glendinning
On the 1851 census page, Margaret is listed as Margt.
There is a baptismal record for William in the OPRs for Westerkirk in 1802 (surname spelled as ELLIOTT).
William's parents' marriage record is to be found in the OPRs for Westerkirk in 1793. ScotlandsPeople index the bride's surname as HENSHELWOOD. I read it as HINSHELWOOD.
All the best,
Andrew
The place name on the 1880 marriage certificate is Strontian.
current OS map showing Strontian (or Sron an t-Sithein as the map shows the Gaelic translation)
On the 1868 death certificate, the parents names are Matthew Elliot (weaver) deceased, and Euphemia Elliot (ms. Hinglewood) deceased. [could equally be Hinzlewood].
Kinloch can be seen on the old OS maps in the Scourie district of Eddrachillis Parish; a fair distance out of Scourie village in this large district, on the road towards Lairg.
1910 OS map showing Kinloch
current OS map showing Kinloch
The censuses and 1855 birth certificate place the father's birthplace as Glendinning in Westerkirk Parish in Dumfries-shire.
1890s OS map showing Glendinning, Westerkirk Parish
current OS map showing Glendinning
On the 1851 census page, Margaret is listed as Margt.
There is a baptismal record for William in the OPRs for Westerkirk in 1802 (surname spelled as ELLIOTT).
William's parents' marriage record is to be found in the OPRs for Westerkirk in 1793. ScotlandsPeople index the bride's surname as HENSHELWOOD. I read it as HINSHELWOOD.
All the best,
Andrew
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Re: missing father !
Dear Andrew I can only say superb !!
Thank you so much for the information and the map links. I love to be able to see where in the country the people came from....It makes it so much more real.
I'll have a look at the information you have given.
Once again my thanks. (How do you do it ????)
Alastair
Further update:
I believe I may have found in 1841 census mathew Elliot and Euphemia aged 74 years (looks like they may have been in a home as the others around them are all elderley)
Using his age I back tracked to 1767 and found birth record for him 12 April 1767 with only a father mentioned John Elliot so I deduced that John must of got married around that time and thus found a marriage between a John Elliot and a Janet Scott 29 May 1762.
I was trying to find Mathews death certificate to see if could confirm both parents names so to prove Im on the right track.
What do you think ?
Cheers
Thank you so much for the information and the map links. I love to be able to see where in the country the people came from....It makes it so much more real.
I'll have a look at the information you have given.
Once again my thanks. (How do you do it ????)
Alastair
Further update:
I believe I may have found in 1841 census mathew Elliot and Euphemia aged 74 years (looks like they may have been in a home as the others around them are all elderley)
Using his age I back tracked to 1767 and found birth record for him 12 April 1767 with only a father mentioned John Elliot so I deduced that John must of got married around that time and thus found a marriage between a John Elliot and a Janet Scott 29 May 1762.
I was trying to find Mathews death certificate to see if could confirm both parents names so to prove Im on the right track.
What do you think ?
Cheers
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Hi Alastair,
You are lucky, both Matthew and Euphemia Elliot survived to a ripe old age and were both still in Westerkirk. They both survived long enough to get a statutory registration (1855 or later) death certificate that names both of each of their parents.
All the best,
AndrewP
You are lucky, both Matthew and Euphemia Elliot survived to a ripe old age and were both still in Westerkirk. They both survived long enough to get a statutory registration (1855 or later) death certificate that names both of each of their parents.
All the best,
AndrewP
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Hi Andrew that was lucky !!
Moving on now having found Mathews parents who were indeed John Stewart and Janet Scott. I've tried to move forward to try and find John's parents. I have come across an entry of a birth this was listed 4 November 1746 in Langholm which is about 4 miles from Westerkirk so I thought it might be a match as it's the only return I get. It says "Baptised John son to John Elliot and Isabel ( spelling as not very clear and it may even be rachel) Clemie his spouse in Langholm" I wonder if this could be a match as not much else to go on.
Cheers
Moving on now having found Mathews parents who were indeed John Stewart and Janet Scott. I've tried to move forward to try and find John's parents. I have come across an entry of a birth this was listed 4 November 1746 in Langholm which is about 4 miles from Westerkirk so I thought it might be a match as it's the only return I get. It says "Baptised John son to John Elliot and Isabel ( spelling as not very clear and it may even be rachel) Clemie his spouse in Langholm" I wonder if this could be a match as not much else to go on.
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Hi Alastair,
You are at the point where the records thin out and you have to make a decision. Do you stick with what you can prove, or do you accept what looks like a good match because you don't see anything better out there? My own choice is to stop at the end of what I can prove from the records, and I accept that there are some possibilities beyond that, but there is no proof that they are the right people.
Food for thought,
AndrewP
You are at the point where the records thin out and you have to make a decision. Do you stick with what you can prove, or do you accept what looks like a good match because you don't see anything better out there? My own choice is to stop at the end of what I can prove from the records, and I accept that there are some possibilities beyond that, but there is no proof that they are the right people.
Food for thought,
AndrewP