Mysteries.....

[nelmit]

Hi folks

Well I suppose you won't be surprised to hear that I can't find Michael Lonie born 1859 on the 1861 census nor is there a death for him. This makes it look increasingly likely that Michael Lonie is David Irvine is George Campbell. Do I get the prize for finding the man with the most names throughout his life????


Yours in total bafflement

Anne

Sorry Anne, nothing constructive to add but on reading this I am now even more hopeful that my elusive David Mitchell born c 1868 in Lochee (from census details) was really Thomas Mooney born 1868 Lochee.

Regards,
Annette M

[AnneM]

Hi Jim and Annette and all

Annie gives the correct names for her parents on her second marriage and the correct names also appear on her death certificate. I am not at all convinced that the truth will ever be revealed here but I can keep on plugging away at it for a while till it gets too much of a brick wall.

Annette, I'm sure that your bods are the same person. After all if a Michael Lonie can become a David Irvine and then a George Campbell surely all bets are off!

At some point I am going to have to put this into some kind of sense to report back to the friend I'm trying to help with this one.

Anne

[newlabeluk]

If George was a sea steward he may have died outside of Scotland. It might be worth checking the Merchant navy records tthis ia copy of a posting from caithness.org by marionq hope it may help

Tried to edit my posting to include this link but it didn't work so here goes

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/mili ... n_military

Choose either Merchant or Royal Navy and give the details you can.

Web address revised - I hope this is the one that you were looking for - AndrewP

[AnneM]

Hi

I have tried a couple of Marine Records in NRH but neither were him. Will have another look sometime. Sadly no trips to London on the cards to look in the NA.

Anne

[AnneM]

Right!! That's it. I am completely stumped.

I found Margaret Lonie aged 13 in 1841 with her family in Dalry Mills in Edinburgh. Her parents George35 and Margaret 30 are both alive and she is with her siblings, James 11, Mary 7 Jamimay (sic) 3 and Euphemia 1.

In 1851 I can find only Mary working as a domestic servant in the house of a William Hardie, provision merchant.

A year later Margaret is producing an illegitimate child in Cockpen or Cockburn and Euphemia survives to witness Margaret's marriage in 1860. Where the blue blazes are they in 1851???

Has George died and Marion remarried and the family hiding under her new husband's name?

You would think that Margaret at least would be out on her own by now. Is she hiding by calling herself Campbell.

I really can't find any way out of this sorry mess at the moment. If any real expert or just anyone cleverer than I can think of what I should do next then please point me in the right direction!!

Anne

[JimM]

Hi Anne
Prepared to be even more flummoxed than ever
Just have a look at this 1851 census for Colington

COLINTON (OR HAILES)/MIDLOTHIAN 677/00 002/00 009
(Address is not on this page)

Charles Lonie head mar 50 Ag Lab Edinburgh Liberton
Betrix Do wife mar 42 Edinburgh Newton
James Do son Un 20 Ag Lab Edinburgh illegible
Euphemia Do Daughter 13 scholar Edinburgh Do
Charles Do son 11 scholar Edinburgh Do
George Do son 6 scholar Edinburgh Do
Jamimay (?) daughter 4 Edinburgh Do

Try and make any sense out of this if you can
I'll email a trancription of the page to you to save you credits.

Jim

BTW brilliant photos of Maria and William, thanks

Edit: I have had another look at the census image and the illegible district is Lasswade

[Jack]

Hi Jim,
That's a coincidence, i was looking at that very entry on the CD earlier this morning!
The address is Swanston Village.
Jack

[JimM]

Hi Jack
Thanks for the Address,
Can you tell me by what name the youngest daughter has been indexed?
On the original it is definitely Jamima(?).. the last letter is unclear.

If this is the same family..... I suppose the enumerator could have made a mistake when transferring the data... and lobbed 10 years of Jamimay's age. k



Jim

[AnneM]

Hi Jim

I had seem that census entry and was puzzled by it but my current best guess is tbat Charles is a brother of George Lonie who is Margaret's father. That would account for the similar names among the children as they may well be family names.

I will check the DC for Charles (on tbe assumption that unlike all the other members of the family he actually died and was not taken up in a spacecraft!). That may give me at least a guess for George senior senior's parents though that's not really solving my problem of who is Michael/David/George's father.

AS they say...keep on keeping on though I'm sore tempted to return this problem where it belongs. Having said that I find it very hard to give up on a challenge and boy is this some challenge.

Glad you liked Maria and William. Pity he's not a direct ancestor but at least she is. She looks like a sweet old lady and her with her illegitimate son between marriages as well, the hussy!

Anne

[AnneM]

Hi again

Charles parents were James Lonie and Margaret Buchanan. He did have a brother George born 1800 which would make him a bit old for the George given on the census but this lot never did let the truth get in the way of a good story. In addition in 1860 when Margaret gets married to Robert Irwin her parents are not given as deceased. Curioser and curioser.

Anne