a bit of a brick wall

[Davie]

Hi Pal, dinnie know wher ye bide.
But The Barony, depending oan the date, could be virtually oanwher in Glesga..
Ah kid mibbie help wey yer Williamsons in Brigton.
We huv wan o’ the troops compiling aw the census returns frae the East-end and hopefully it wull be oan a Cd by the end o’ this year.
Davie

[thomsos]

Ah kid mibbie help wey yer Williamsons in Brigton.
We huv wan o’ the troops compiling aw the census returns frae the East-end and hopefully it wull be oan a Cd by the end o’ this year.
Davie

Oh my goodness Davie, If you could help me with my Williamsons I wouldn't know how to thank you,
George Williamson has caused me more headaches and sleepless nights than the rest of my ancestors put to-gether, not to mention the no of credits I have used up on SP...............any info on him would be appreciated, if I can give you any more info let me know

Thanks
Sandra

[Jack]

Hi Sandra,
You mentioned -

>There are 3 middle names in James family, Morrison and Mckean I know about,
but then we have Reid and Shearer in the equation!

I know one of the daurs of James McNAB & Jean McKEAN had the middle name of MORRISON.
(Jane Morrison McNab, b. 1857)
Do you know who Jane got her middle name from?
Ta - Jack

[thomsos]

Jane Morrison McNab got her middle name from her Gran Jane Morrison b abt 1811 , she was married to William McKean.

Sandra

[Jockbird]

Hi Sandra,

Sorry to hijack this thread but just noticed your mention of a George Williamson. I too have a George Williamson from the Milton district who is causing me some problems.

Perhaps it's just the name or maybe it's the same chap. What more info do you know on yours? Mine married an Agnes Graham in Glasgow in 1854 and had several children including Elizabeth Williamson in 1855 (according to her BC he'd have been born circa 1811 in Edinburgh). From at least 1855 until his death in 1876 he was in Kelvin Street, Glasgow.

Best wishes
Donna
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[thomsos]

Hi Donna,
How I would love to tell you that we share the same George Williamson, as it is I actually have two of them, one b abt 1830 married to Jane Peel, and the other b abt 1857, married to Elizabeth Anderson, both born in Calton/Bridgeton area, so afraid we both still have separate headaches
I will keep you in mind if I come across anything in my search that could be related to your Geo.
Good luck
Sandra

[Jockbird]

Hi Sandra,

Likewise!

Best wishes
Donna
x

[Jack]

Hi Sandra,
Some more questions.....re the mother of Jean McKEAN (b.1830).
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Did mother Jane MORRISON (b~1811) have any siblings?
Where was she born?
And do you know her parents?
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Ta - Jack

[thomsos]

Hi Sandra,
Some more questions.....re the mother of Jean McKEAN (b.1830).
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Did mother Jane MORRISON (b~1811) have any siblings?
Where was she born?
And do you know her parents?
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Ta - Jack

On Jane Morrison's 1887 DC, her father is James morrison, her mother is Margaret no maiden name listed, I think Jane Morrison had a bother John Morrison, they were born Campsie

Jane Morrison (1811-1887) Married Thomas Marshall 1838, then Robert Yuill 1851, not sure if she did marry William Mckean, Reputed father of Jane McKean (b1830) so don't think they had any other family

Jane Morrison and Thomas Marshall had three children -
Jane b1843, Isabella b1847, Christina 1844

Jane and Robert Yuill had two children -
Margaret b1844, Robina b1853

Sandra

[Jack]

Hi Sandra,
I was wrong with the Mrs NAB (50) & Andrew (21) I came across in 1851.
She isn't George McNAB's wife Elizabeth REID.
Mrs McNAB is a Mary FYFE who died in 1871, and hubby was Andrew McNAB, cotton weaver.
After Sarah found she was a Mary born in Hamilton, i had my doubts it could be Elizabeth!
You already have a lot of the things Sarah discovered, but it's just to keep it all together.
I couldn't find a suitable George (b.1820) or Andrew (b.1831).
You've got a lot of this below - and very possibly all of it by now!
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GEORGE MCNAB
ELIZABETH REID
Marriage: 11 MAY 1817 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
--some children
WILLIAM McNAB Birth: 04 DEC 1817 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland [IGI submission]
JOHN MCNAB - Birth: 01 JAN 1819 Birth: 01 JAN 1819 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
GEORGE MCNAB - Birth: 22 NOV 1820 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
RICHARD MCNAB - Birth: 28 JAN 1823 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
JAMES MCNAB - Birth: 13 DEC 1825 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
DAVID MCNAB - Birth: 13 AUG 1828 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
ANDREW REID MCNAB - Birth: 22 MAY 1831 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
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1841 census 644 Ed 154 p 3 (Glasgow - Martyrs)
Hope Park
George McNAB, 50, agricultural labourer, b LKS
Elizabeth REID, 40, -------------------------b LKS
Richard McNAB, 15, agricultural labourer, b LKS
John DIXON, 22, agricultural labourer, b LKS
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It would seem that George McNAB & Elizabeth REID have both died by 1851.
George has various occupations, and was quite possibly all of them at some point in time.
Agricultural Labourer, Ploughman, Chemical Work Labourer.
Looks like a few of their children became Railway Engine Drivers.
And as you know your James McNAB was one too.
(but again as you know his 1902 DC had parents as Roderick McNAB & Euphemia BEATON...)
There are fair reasons for James being the son of George McNAB & Elizabeth REID.
Maybe not proven beyond all doubt, but much in favour are these at least....
1) First son is named George.
2) A daur named Elizabeth Reid McNab.
3) James was an Engine Driver (not conlusive in itself, but does help somewhat)
4) All those others that are the children of George & Elizabeth.
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This William is mentioned because he could fit for the LDS submission of 1817,
and 1st born son appears to be a George.
Also sons William's & John's MCs say their father is an Engine Driver.
Just a pity William appears to have died by 1851 though.
--
WILLIAM MCNAB
ANN BOYD
Marriage: 26 JUL 1840 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
--some children
GEORGE MCNAB - Birth: 05 OCT 1841 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
WILLIAM McNAB - Birth: 1843 Of, Stirling, Stirling, Scotland [sic - a confusing LDS submission...]
JOHN MCNAB - Birth: 27 AUG 1845 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
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1841 cens 622 Ed 235 p 31 L10 (Milton - Martyrs)
Parliamentary Rd.
William McNAB, 20, engineer, b LKS
Ann McNAB, 20, ----------------b LKS
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1851 cens 622 (577) Ed 38 p 1 (Milton)
42 Parliamentary Rd.
Ann McNAB, head, widow, 33, lodging house keeper, b Glasgow, LKS
George McNAB, son, 9, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
William McNAB, son, 7, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
John McNAB, son, 5, -------------b Glasgow, LKS
John BOYD, brother, u/m 35, coal hill labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret NISBET, niece, u/m 19, power loom weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
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1861 cens 644-1 Ed 118 p 11 (Central)
64 Parliamentary Rd.
Ann McNAB, head, widow, 45, lodgings keeper, b Glasgow, LKS
William McNAB, son, u/m 17, labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
John McNAB, son, 15, labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret BOYD, niece, u/m 25, weaver, b Glasgow, LKS
Duncan LAMOND, boarder, u/m 17, labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
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1871 DC (Bridgeton)
Ann McNAB (52) d. 19 FEB 1871 at Belvidere Fever Hospital. UR 24 Castle St.
Widow of William McNAB, engine keeper.
Infmt - William, his X, son.
(below is the informant son William's 1867 marriage - father as engine driver)

William McNAB (23) of 64 Parliamentary Rd. Pas - William McNAB (dcd), Engine Driver & Agnes m/s BOYD.
& Jessie McDONALD (23) of same address.
Married - 11 JUL 1867 at Central District, Glasgow.
--and his brother
John McNAB (24) of 41 Charles St. Pas - William McNAB (dcd), Engine Driver & Agnes m/s BOYD.
& Sarah Ann LACHLAN (23) of same address.
Married - 2 DEC 1870 at Springburn.
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Glad you found the DC of John McNAB (b.1819) - but where is he after 1851?
I'd been rather unsure of those middle names, though he too did have a son George.
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JOHN MCNAB
MARGARET SHEARER
Marriage: 14 JUL 1839 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Marriage: 14 JUL 1839 Glassford, Lanark, Scotland
--some children?
MARGARET LENNOX MCNAB - Birth: 17 SEP 1846 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
GEORGE HERBERTSON MCNAB - Birth: 03 MAR 1849 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
JOHN McNAB - Birth abt JAN 1851, Glasgow

1851 census 644-1 (553) Ed 2 p 15 (Inner High)
102 Garngad Rd.
John McNAB, head, marr, 31, labourer, b Glasgow, LKS
Margaret McNAB, wife, marr, 34, --------b Glassford, LKS
John McNAB, son, 3 mos, ---------------b Glasgow, LKS
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This Richard looks ok for the 1823 birth, and 1st born son seems to be a George.
--
RICHARD MCNAB
ELIZABETH MAXWELL
Marriage: 25 JUN 1847 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
--some children
ELIZABETH MCNAB - Birth: 18 NOV 1850 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
GEORGE MCNAB - Birth: 16 MAY 1852 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
RICHARD MCNAB - Birth: 27 FEB 1855 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland
JOHN MURRAY MCNAB - Birth: 03 MAY 1857 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland
ALEXANDER MURRAY MCNAB - Birth: 13 JUL 1858 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland
WILLIAM MCNAB - Birth: 16 JUL 1861 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland
MARY PAUL JEFFREY MCNAB - Birth: 22 JUL 1863 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland
JANE MURRAY MCNAB - Birth: 18 AUG 1865 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland
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1851 622 (577) Ed 36 p 24 (Milton)
92 Parliamentary Rd.
Richard McNAB, head, marr, 26, engine driver, b Glasgow, LKS
Elisabeth MAXWELL, wife, marr, 26, -----------b Glasgow, LKS
Elisbeth McNAB, daur, 1, ---------------------b Glasgow, LKS
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1861 622-2 Ed 2 p 21 (Springburn)
13 Turner Street.
Richard McNAB, head, marr, 36, engine driver, Caledonian Rly, b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth McNAB, wife, marr, 36, --------b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth McNAB, daur, 11, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
George McNAB, son, 9, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
Richard McNAB, son, 6, ------------b Glasgow, LKS
Alexander M. McNAB, 3, -------------b Glasgow, LKS
Hendry BROWN, boarder, -- 26, fireman, Caledonian Rly, b Monklands Parish, LKS
Peter NEILSON, boarder, -- 19, railway porter, b Monklands Parish, LKS
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1871 census 622-2 Ed 4 p 20 (Springburn)
13 Turner Street.----------------------------------[same address as brother DAVID in 1871]
Richard McNAB, head, marr, 44, railway engine driver, b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth McNAB, wife, marr, 44, ---------------------------b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth McNAB, daur, u/m 21, sewing machinist, b Glasgow, LKS
Richard McNAB, son, 16, iron turner, b Springburn, LKS
William McNAB, son, 10, scholar, b Springburn, LKS
Jane McNAB, daur, 5, scholar, b Springburn, LKS
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1881 Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
188 Stirling Road
Source: FHL Film 0203648 GRO Ref Volume 644-6 EnumDist 12 Page 12
Richard MC NAB M 54 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Engine Driver
Elizabeth MACNAB (MC NAB) M 54 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife
Richard MACNAB (MC NAB) U 26 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Engine Fitter
Alexr. Murray MACNAB (MC NAB) U 22 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Clerk
Willm. Murray MACNAB (MC NAB) U 19 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Grocer
Jane Murray MACNAB (MC NAB) U 15 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daugt Occ: Scholar

1882 DC (Blythswood) R.C.E
Richard McNAB (55) d. 25 May 1882 - killed by a railway carriage at Central Station.
Residence - 188 Stirling Rd.
Pas - George McNAB (dcd) chemical work labourer & Elizabeth m/s REID (dcd)
Infmt - Richard McNab, son.
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James McNAB (b.1825) & Jean McKEAN - you know all about them
========================
This David looks ok for the 1828 birth, but his age is WELL out in 1851! About 25 years out....
The 1st born son is George.
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DAVID MCNAB
AGNES MCKAY
Marriage: 08 JUL 1849 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
--some children
MARION MCNAB - Birth: 04 SEP 1849 Barony, Lanark, Scotland [Mother: AGNES MCKAY]
ELIZABETH REID MCNAB - Birth: 26 DEC 1850 Barony, Lanark, Scotland [Mother: AGNES MCKAY]
GEORGE MCNAB - Birth: 27 NOV 1852 Barony, Lanark, Scotland [Mother: AGNES MCKAY]
AGNES MCNAB - Birth: 08 DEC 1854 Barony, Lanark, Scotland [Mother: AGNES MCINTYRE]
MARY MCNAB - Birth: 28 JUN 1857 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland [Mother: AGNES MCKAIG]
JANE REID MCNAB Birth: 01 AUG 1860 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland [Mother: AGNES MCCAIG]
JANET MCNAB - Birth: 01 AUG 1860 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland [Mother: AGNES MCCAIG]
DAVID MCNAB - Birth: 15 FEB 1863 Springburn, Lanark, Scotland [Mother: AGNES MCCAIG]
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1851 622 (598) Ed 53 p 7 (Calton)
Broomfield.
David McNAB, head, marr, 48 [sic], railway labourer, b Barony, LKS [age way out...]
Agnes McNAB, wife, marr, 44 [sic], wife, b Barony, LKS [age way out]
Mary Ann McNAB, daur, 1½, ---------b Barony, LKS
Elizabeth McNAB, daur, 15 wks, ---b Barony, LKS
Margaret KAYE, niece, 9, servant, b Greenock.
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1861 622-2 Ed 10 p 16 (Springburn)
High Barrowfield.
David McNAB, head, marr, 32, engine driver, b Barony, LKS
Agness McNAB, wife, marr, 32, --------------b Glasgow, LKS
George McNAB, son, 8, scholar, b Barony, LKS
Marion McNAB, daur, 11, scholar, b Barony, LKS
Elizabeth McNAB, daur, 10, scholar, b Barony, LKS
Agness McNAB, daur, 6, ------------b Barony, LKS
Mary McNAB, daur, 4, ---------------b Barony, LKS
Jeanie? McNAB, daur, 8 mos, ---b Springburn, LKS
Janet McNAB, daur, 8 mos, ------b Springburn, LKS
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1871 census 622-2 Ed 4 pp 23-24 (Springburn)
13 Turner Street............................................[same address as brother RICHARD in 1861-1871]
David McNAB, head, marr, 42, locomotive engine driver, b Glasgow, LKS
Agnes McNAB, wife, marr, 45, ---------------------------------b Glasgow, LKS
Marion McNAB, daur, u/m 21, linen weaver in factory, b Glasgow, LKS
Elizabeth McNAB, daur, u/m 20, linen weaver in factory, b Glasgow, LKS
Agnes McNAB, daur, u/m 16, linen weaver in factory, b Glasgow, LKS
George MacNAB, son u/m 17, grocer's assistant, b Glasgow, LKS
Mary MacNAB, daur, 14, message girl, printing factory, b Glasgow, LKS
Jane MacNAB, daur, 10, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
David MacNAB, son, 7, scholar, b Glasgow, LKS
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1876 DC (St. Rollox)
David McNAB (42) [sic] engine driver, d.1 Nov 1876 at 3 Black Street
Pas - George McNAB (dcd) ploughman & Elizabeth m/s REID (dcd)
Infmt - George McNab, son.
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Jack