The Ross Family of Tullich, Kilmuir Easter, Ross & Croma

patren · Post by **patren** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:25 pm

Hi Sarah,
Sorry for the delay getting back to you. No good news I'm afraid. I spent yesterday morning at the "Anagrafe Centrale" but couldn't fi nd anything. However I did find Marina, the mother of an old elementary school friend of Alessandro's who works at the Anagrafe as a kind of Registrar. She is not in the actual section that we need, but she will try to find something out for us. However she said that if they did not live in Rome it would be a bit difficult, as records are held where the event took place eg. Alessandro was born in the Abruzzo region, I can get a short version of his birth cert. here but need to apply to where he was born for the full one .
She said to try the British Consulate as they should have copies of marriage certs. for British subjects who married in Italy, especially for the period you are looking for. Italy has 4 Consular sections - Rome, Milan, Florence and Naples so I will give you the e-mail addresses. The Rome one I will contact tomorrow but here are the others:
ConsularMilan@fco.gov.uk
Consular.Florence@fco.gov.uk
Info.Naples@fco.gov.uk
There is also another address for Marriage in Italy
InfoMarriagesNaples@fco.gov.uk
I have also been given another e-mail address for a site which is very good explaining Italian genealogy:
Italian Genealogy Online:
http:www.anzers.org/free/italiangen/index.html
if you want to have a look.
Sorry to say the Hugh and John you found for me were not the right ones, but I managed to get a copy of Thomas and Margaret's marriage cert. with the names of Thomas' parents, so I will start and follow that up.
'Bye for now Pat

Post by **SarahND** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:16 pm

Thanks for all that leg-work and information, Pat! I'll wait to see what results you get from the consulate in Rome, then email the others if nothing comes up. I had no idea the consulate would have old records-- learn something new every day!
Many, many thanks for all the time you're spending on this!
Sarah

patren · Post by **patren** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:11 pm

Hi Sarah,
I haven't forgotten you! I spoke to the British Consulate on Friday, but was told that they were very busy and to send an e-mail with a few details. I did this (twice actually, seeing I got no reply to the first, and I complain about the slowness of the Italian system! Perhaps it's catching for anyone who lives here) and a few minutes ago I got a reply. They state that they don't know how far their records go back and will have to check. The search will cost 64 Euros, and the copy of any eventual certificate will cost another 64 Euros! I was shocked! I will never again complain about the prices of Scotlands People.
I also found a Protestant Cemetery in Naples and in Florence, and went through the index, but again no luck. A friend said that if one of the daughters married into an Italian family who had their own family tomb, they would probably be buried there.
I will keep on trying.
Regards Pat

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:38 pm

Whoa there !!!

If the marriage was registered at the consulate in Rome, full details would then have been sent back to GRO in London, and onwards to GROS Edinburgh if one or both of the parties to the marriage were Scottish (although the latter didn't always reliable happen); so that the details should be available in the Minor Records series of records at GRO and maybe GROS as well, covering consular records, with copies available at the very much lower GRO/GROS prices.

David

Post by **SarahND** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:59 pm

Whoa indeed! I hate to put you to all this trouble, Pat. You are very kind to keep trying to prise something out of the consulate! It appears that they are trying to discourage family history research

David, that is certainly worth looking into. If a record was sent to Scotland, it would be available in the Scotland's People index, which it isn't. So... are the English minor records available on a search of FreeBMD, or are they not yet indexed?

Certainly worth a try before I start raiding the euros

Thanks again, Pat.

Maybe this whole quest will be useful for others when we finally get to the bottom of it!

Regards,
Sarah

patren · Post by **patren** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:44 am

Hi Sarah,
I have found birth dates and marriage date for you Adlington's. Are these the correct ones? It may help in search here.
Esther Catherine born 1867 Old Marchar, Aberdeen
Mary Annie b.02.02.1867 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh
William Adlington to Emma Giles September 1862, Kings Norton,Staffordshire,England
Was William a Scot or English?
Regards Pat
PS I also had a look at Consular marriages in the Overseas section at GRO where it is stated "registration has never been compulsory and therefore there may be no record of the event."

patren · Post by **patren** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:45 am

Hi Sarah,
I have found birth dates and marriage date for you Adlington's. Are these the correct ones? It may help in search here.
Esther Catherine born 1867 Old Marchar, Aberdeen
Mary Annie b.02.02.1867 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh
William Adlington to Emma Giles September 1862, Kings Norton,Staffordshire,England
Was William a Scot or English?
Regards Pat
PS I also had a look at Consular marriages in the Overseas section at GRO where it is stated "registration has never been compulsory and therefore there may be no record of the event."

patren · Post by **patren** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:48 am

Sarah,
If you are still interested you could try:

LDS Family History Library Catalog
RG-33 series - foreign residents and returns for British Nationals
Rome marriages 1872-1889 Location Film - VAULT British Film 1818065
Item 1-4-
Pat

Post by **SarahND** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:43 pm

Hello Pat!!
I don't know how I missed your message of 16 March-- sorry for the lack of response.

I was on the road at the time visiting my mother.

I have the birth certs for all of Emma Giles and William Adlington's children. The girls were as follows:

Esther Catherine 26 Apr 1864 Old Machar, Aberdeen
Mary Annie 2 Feb 1867 Edinburgh

William and Emma were married 5 Aug 1862 in Edgbaston, Birmingham according to their children's birth certificates. Kings Norton is just next door, so must be the same one. I now see it in FreeBMD. Never looked it up, since I had it on the birth cert! William was English, as you thought, born 19 Apr 1837 in Southwell, Nottinghamshire.

Thanks for the LDS film reference. I will order it and have a look. I'm not sure if the marriage would have taken place before 1889, but I might get lucky! In 1891 and 1901 Esther is in England. She was an artist. I can't find her death though, so thought perhaps she too went to Italy. Or maybe it is just on the part of FreeBMD that hasn't been indexed yet.

Mary Annie is the most likely candidate for the Italian marriage, since she disappears after 1881. At least, I can't find her in subsequent censuses. Nor can I find Emma. William goes back to live with his parents in Glasgow, but is still marked as married, not widowed. In 1901 he is in London, married, but no wife in sight. So I think Emma was still alive somewhere. Probably Italy, as the family story goes.

patren wrote: PS I also had a look at Consular marriages in the Overseas section at GRO where it is stated "registration has never been compulsory and therefore there may be no record of the event."

Oh dear... well, I have to at least try...!

Thanks again, and sorry for the silence. Makes me wonder how many other posts I missed?

Edit later: I see that I was not notified of today's post either, yet it says I am "watching" the topic. Hmmmm

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All the best,
Sarah

patren · Post by **patren** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:23 pm

Hi Sarah,
I think you are right, probably have to concentrate on Mary Annie and Emma in Italy.
I will remind my friend Marina at the Anagrafe Centrale to see if she has come up with anything.
Pat