Martin Family Scotland

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:44 pm

ROY M wrote:Hi Claire
Roy again
I think you're on the right trail. William Martin who was married to Sarah Jane Taylor died in Torry, Kincardineshire in 1892. Torry is on the opposite bank of the river Dee from Aberdeen.
On the death certificate Nigg Kincardineshire 1892-266/00 0026 his parents are shown as the names Sarah gives.
F-Robert Martin-Police Constable
M-Elizabeth Martin m/s Young

In the 1891 census for Nigg
William Martin-age31-stone cutter-born England
Sarah Jane Martin-age29-Wife-born England
William Martin-age8-son-born Aberdeen
Robert Martin-age4-son-born England
Grace Taylor-age8-niece-born-England

William the son would only be 8 when his father died. Is it possible Sarah remarried and the new husband was a James.

This takes us neatly back to Sarah married to James Herbert - Grace clinches it-

1901 Chorlton, Manchester

Sarah J Herbert 37
William H Martin 18
Robert H Martin 16
Elizabeth A Martin 8
Ethel Herbert 3
Grace Taylor 18 niece
William Taylor 64

I wonder if the boys were given the middle name Herbert after Sarah married him?

Regards,
Annette

ROY M · Post by **ROY M** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:49 pm

Hi Claire
Roy again
In the 1861 census Robert and Elizabeth are at 9 Barton Street, Hume,Manchester(Reg. District of Chorlton) with 4 children.
Mary age7
David age5
Jane age 3
and William age1
all showing as born in Scotland

CMARTIN1971 · Post by **CMARTIN1971** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:02 pm

Looks like we have it made!!

I am beginning to think Herbert was added as no records i have ever found show him having a middle name ever.

Roy how are you finding these census's... I'm usually good at finding the obscure, but obviously useless at finding the obvious haha Maybe i need new specs

I have since found David and Jane's births in Graitney Dumfries and the parents marriage there, now all i have to do is work out where the parents were born! oh what fun haha I need to win the lottery Wednesday so i can buy more credits hehe

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:06 pm

CMARTIN1971 wrote:Looks like we have it made!!

I am beginning to think Herbert was added as no records i have ever found show him having a middle name ever.

Roy how are you finding these census's... I'm usually good at finding the obscure, but obviously useless at finding the obvious haha Maybe i need new specs

I have since found David and Jane's births in Graitney Dumfries and the parents marriage there, now all i have to do is work out where the parents were born! oh what fun haha I need to win the lottery Wednesday so i can buy more credits hehe

Freecen 1841 and http://www.dgcommunity.net/historicalin ... ensus.aspx 1851 will help to find them on a census at Graitney for free although I'm thinking you have Ancestry.

CMARTIN1971 · Post by **CMARTIN1971** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:20 pm

Hello Nelmit, thankyou, I have ancestry, have been checking census's.. can anyone tell me where is Graitney to Gretna?? Found a possible living Graitney but birth says born Graitney, census says born Gretna, unless i have found the wrong births.

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:07 pm

CMARTIN1971 wrote:Hello Nelmit, thankyou, I have ancestry, have been checking census's.. can anyone tell me where is Graitney to Gretna?? Found a possible living Graitney but birth says born Graitney, census says born Gretna, unless i have found the wrong births.

According to http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/towns/t ... t2943.html they are right next to each other. I'd go with what I'm sure you've found. Parents David Martin and Jane/t Nicholson.

Unfortunately the IGI shows only female births at Dumfries for those years so you won't find Robert there. I think SP might have them but I don't have any credits to check.

Regards,
Annette

CMARTIN1971 · Post by **CMARTIN1971** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:28 pm

Thankyou Annette, it is hard searching for people in areas when you don't know them very well. I am just greatful I have all you wonderful people to help me.

Atleast I know i am heading in the right direction now, I'll keep checking around and then when i have credits check SP for the info I can't find, it's a shame they don't do a sub for that, but then i suppose they wouldn't make as much money haha

Post by **AndrewP** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:43 pm

Hi Claire,

On looking at the old maps online, Gretna and Graitney (or even Gretney or Graitna) are the same place. Within the parish is also Old Gretna (Old Graitney, or Old Gretney, or Old Graitna), a short distance from Gretna / Graitney / Gretney / Graitna. The spelling depends which map from which era you are looking at, but I would certainly count Gretna or Graitney (or the other spelling variants) as the same place.

All the best,

AndrewP

CMARTIN1971 · Post by **CMARTIN1971** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:01 am

Thanks for that Andrew, that's really helpful, i am planning a visit in the not too distant future hopefully to go and visit the places they lived, it will be different now, but still nice to see.

I note they are all weavers, were there Mills there or would it have been a home trade? Anyone have any ideas how i can find out? sorry to keep being a pest

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:10 am

Hi Claire

Don't apologise for asking important questions. We thrive on them.

I don't have detailed knowledge of the weaving trade in the borders but reckon that - in common with most village industries it was a home industry.
Most home weaving gradually died out before the 1870's partly because mechanised looms were now in use which were based in factories/mills and were tended mainly by women and children(they were cheaper to employ)
Gretna appears to have had links with the cotton weaving in Longtown and Carlisle just over the border in England but little, if any of that would be cottage based.
Woolen weaving and knitting was concentrated more in the hilly, sheep producing areas around Galashiels, Hawick and Kelso and that industry also became factory based.

Russell