McDade.....

[Andy]

The 1851 and 1871 censuses for Neilston would be really helpful. There were a few McDades around Neilston in 1881 but it would be great to see if Daniel, Cornelius and George were together in 1851. They were all Catholic and a few of the childrens names match.

I'd also like a wee look at the place of birth on the Scottish censuses.

[Jack]

Hi Andy,

The 1851 Barrhead / Neilston census is online at -

http://www.barrhead-scotland.com/Cultur ... census.asp

But nothing of note so far - Jack

[greeneyedlady731]

Hi all you wonderful friends that are working on this for me! When I read all the posts last night and today I was astonished on how much information you were able to come up with! It is so great to read and try to put yourself back in your ancesters time and what life might have been like with the different occupations..bleacher..cotton dryer or dyer..and the number of children they had.. my goodness!!! I am so grateful with the information you were able to locate. Andy I am so glad you are enjoying yourself with the research of my family! It is very interesting. You had asked me to order the marriage cetificate for john and mary parker. Will it have the exact place of birth for daniel and mary mcdade? If they were born in Scotland then it goes back even further to find the ancesters in ireland. How far back is one able to go? Did they keep records that far back? Thank you again for all your help.

Take care,
Debbie

[Andy]

As the marriage was in England there will be a lot less information than Scottish Records, however, since urging you to get the certificate (I still would) a lot more information has been found seemingly confirming both sets of parents.

Because Daniel and Mary were married before 1855 and the church records may have been lost what I'm trying to do just now is establish whether Daniel and Mary had siblings in the area. Two lots of census returns in England state that Mary was born in Scotland. Since she was married in Barrhead in 1853 and lived in Neilston I was hoping to find her living with her family in 1851.

The 1881 census also says that Daniel was born in Scotland so, again, I was hoping he'd be with other family members in 1851. I have my doubts that they were born in Scotland, Ireland seems much more likely.

(Thanks Jack) Neilston census for 1851 has:

1039 00138 NEWTON RALSTON BRIDGET MAHAN FA 18 BLEACHER IRELAND View
1032 00111 NEWTON RALSTON JOHN MAHAN MC 007 BARRHEAD View
1039 00138 NEWTON RALSTON MARY MAHAN FA 23 BLEACHER IRELAND View

1115 00054 BARRHEAD BELL McDADE FA 42 SERVANT HOUSE IRELAND View
0838 00144 NEILSTON JOHN McDAID MC 11 TEARER CP GREENOCK View

0314 00049 GATESIDE ESTHER McMACHAN FA 48 IRELAND View
0314 00049 GATESIDE AGNES McMACHAN FC 05 GATESIDE View
0314 00049 GATESIDE MARY McMACHAN FC 12 TEARER IN PRINTFIELD GATESIDE View
0314 00049 GATESIDE ROBERT McMACHAN MC 14 PIECER IN COTTON MILL GATESIDE View
0314 00049 GATESIDE JOHN McMACHAN MA 48 COTTON SPINNER IRELAND View
1010 00033 NEWTON RALSTON BRIDGET McMAHON FA 20 BLEACHER IRELAND View
0801 00004 NEILSTON MARY McMALLON FA 22 SERVANT GEN PAISLEY View

So no help there.

Looks like the next best bet is hoping a relative is staying with the family in 1861.

[Jack]

Hi Folks,

According to these earlier censuses it would appear that both Daniel & Mary were, as thought, born in Ireland.
Daniel doesn't seem to be in the area in 1851, but there are 4 McMAHONs together in Mearns (where 1853 banns were read).
Mary 18, John 12, Phillip 10, Peter 7.
They aren't with parents, but i couldn't look at them because some eejit left the film in the reader with the light on and melted it - so it's away, either to be repaired or replaced.
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1861 cens 572 Ed 10 p 23 (Neilston)
Neilston Village. [in the Kirktonfield area]
Daniel McDADE, head, marr, 29, cotton bleacher, b Ireland
Mary McDADE, wife, 29, cotton bleacher's wife, b Ireland
James McDADE, son, 7, cotton bleacher's son, b Mearns, RFW
Elisabeth McDADE, daur, 5 cotton bleacher's daur, b Neilston, RFW
John McDADE, son, 2, cotton bleacher's son, b Neilston, RFW
Peter McMAHON, brother-in-law, u/m 18, bleacher, b Ireland
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1871 cens 572 Ed 9 p 45 (Neilston)
Netherkirkton Field.
Daniel McDADE, head, marr, 35, bleacher, b Ireland
Mary McDADE, wife, 36, ----------- b Ireland
James McDADE, son, 16, tinsmith, b Mearns
John McDADE, son, 13, scholar, b Neilston
Agnes McDADE, daur, 8, scholar, b Neilston
Francis McDADE, son, 6, scholar, b Neilston
Mary McDADE, daur, 4, ------- b Neilston
Elizabeth McDADE, daur, 2, ---- b Neilston
Maryann JAMIESON, boarder, u/m 24, bleacher, b Ireland
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There were another 3 McDADE families at Neilston in 1871 - time may tell if they are in any way related to Daniel.
The soon-to-be online index may give more.
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1871 cens 572 Ed 7 p 5 (Neilston)
Steels? Back Land.
George McDADE, head, marr, 45, carter, b Ireland
Agnes McDADE, wife, 36, ------------- b Ireland
John McDADE, son, 15, bleacher, b Neilston
Sarah McDADE, daur, 14, mill worker, b Neilston
Ellen McDADE, daur, 12, ----------- b Neilston
James McDADE, son, 10, tearer in printfield, b Neilston
Patrick McDADE, son, 6, scholar, b Neilston
Agnes McDADE, daur, 5, scholar, b Neilston
George McDADE, son, 3, -------- b Neilston
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1871 cens 572 Ed 7 p 7 (Neilston)
Cattenach & Others Property.
Bridget O'NEIL or McDADE, head, ummarried, 39, bleacher, b Ireland
Bridget O'NEIL or McDADE, daur, 17, bleacher, b Ireland
Hugh O'NEIL or McDADE, son, 15, bleacher, b Ireland
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1871 cens 572 Ed 7 pp 18/19 (Neilston)
Thornley Land.
Cornelius MCDADE, head, marr, 30, labourer, b Ireland
Mary Jane MCDADE, wife, 30, ----------- b Ireland
Jean MILLAR, step-daur, 12, ----------- b Pollockshaws, RFW
Samuel MILLAR, step-son, 6, scholar, b Neilston
James MCDADE, son, 2, ----------- b Neilston
Catherine MCDADE, daur, 1mo, ------ b Neilston
------
Jack

[Jack]

Hi again Folks,

The GWSFHS had a nice clean copy of the 1851 Mearns census at their premises to have a look at.
Nearest name to Daniel McDADE is a Daniel McDIVIT, 18 - but he's an agricultural labourer, lodging with a Patrick [24] & Agnes [28] O'NEAL; all b Ireland.
There were were a couple of "McDADEs" in the area.

Mearns - Michael McDADE, 20, shoemaker, b Ireland lodging with a Daniel BRODIE, 35, b Campbelltown.
Eastwood - Francis McDAID, 26, labourer, b Ireland lodging with an Andrew LIDDELL, 46, b Paisley.
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1851 cens 571 (454) Ed6 p6 (Mearns)
Wilson's Land.
Micheil KINNIN, head, marr, 25, blacksmith, b Ireland
Bridget KINNIN, wife, 20, ditto's wife, b Ireland
MARY McMAHON, lodger, u/m 18, bleacher, b Ireland
JOHN McMAHON, lodger, 12, bleacher, b Ireland
PHILIP McMAHON, lodger, 10, ------ b Ireland
PETER McMAHON, lodger, 7, ------- b Ireland
Cathn. BRADY, lodger, 15, -------- b Ireland
Patric BRADY, lodger, 13, -------- b Ireland
Sarah BRADY, lodger, 15, ------- b Ireland
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Spellings and ages are exactly as they were (not typos!).
The age the above Mary McMAHON (and Peter's) near enough match the 1861 census.
It's not a very common census - a young couple with so many youngsters with them.
Pity the McMAHON children weren't with their parents, and at the moment it doesn't seem as though Daniel McDADE was in the area in 1851.

Jack

[Jack]

Hi Folks,

Maybe Daniel McDADE was in the area after all. This 1851 census might be worth thinking about after i was kindly given the following info on the "McDAID / McDADE" name - seems it's also as "Mac DEVITT" or "DAVITT".

http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm

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1851 cens 571 (454) Ed5 p3 (Mearns)
Kirkstile.
Patrick O'NEAL, head, marr, 24, agricultural labourer, b Ireland
Agnes O'NEAL, wife, 28, ditto's wife, b Ireland
Mary O'NEAL, daur, 5mos, --------- b Mearns, RFW
Catherine McNICLE, sis-in-law, u/m 34, bleacher, b Ireland
Mary McLEMONS, lodger, widow, 36, bleacher, b Ireland
James McCARL, second cousin, marr, 39, ag. lab. & delf seller, b Ireland
Mary McCARL, ditto in law, marr, 22, ditto's wife, b Ireland
DANIEL McDIVIT, lodger, u/m 18, agricultural labourer, b Ireland
[name may be McDAVIT - difficult to be certain which]
---------
ELIZABETH MCDEVITT
Birth: 31 MAY 1856 Neilston, Renfrew, Scotland
DANIEL MCDEVITT
MARY MCMAHON
[an Elizabeth McDAID aged 13yrs died 1868 Neilston]
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So is it Daniel McDADE / McDAID as McDIVIT in 1851 at Mearns? He may have been an agricultural labourer then, but moved into cotton bleaching soon after as this was a major industry in the area. But no proof....

Jack

[Andy]

Parents of Elizabeth McDaid age 12 and a half, Daniel a Furnace Keeper and Mary Mahon. Place of death Gateside which was the same address given for sister Mary's birth in 1866 to Daniel and Mary McMahon.

Good enough for me.

[greeneyedlady731]

So andy if I get the death certificate for them it should have the exact location of where they were born? I am so confused with the name and how it might have been spelled. Are you pretty sure these are the correct parents for Mary? Thanks again for all your help.

Debbie

[Andy]

Hi Debbie, I'm as sure as I can be 99.99% that these are Mary's parents. Scottish Death certs give the place of death but not of birth. Your two probably died in England in the which case the parents won't be recorded.

Your best bet is to hope that their marriage record wasn't burnt in the fire in Barrhead. There may be details of where they were baptized.

It's fairly easy to have a very educated guess as to Mary McMahon's parents because the brother, Peter, got married in 1870. The first son wasnamed after Peter's father.

They followed the rest of the family down to Leyland by 1881:

Peter MC MAHON Head M Male 38 Ireland Labourer
Margaret MC MAHON Wife M Female 34 Scotland
John MC MAHON Son Male 10 Scotland Scholar
James MC MAHON Son Male 8 Scotland Scholar
Peter MC MAHON Son Male 4 Scotland
Margaret MC MAHON Daur Female 6 m Leyland, Lancashire, England