KENNET(H) Dundonald area abt 1750's.....

[Currie]

Thanks for that information Sarah and Peter, it’s nice to see things fall into place like that.

I’d say the Colonel was a bit of a lad.

Don’t forget to check out the 19C newspapers, especially the Nottinghamshire one. There’s lots of interesting stuff there.

In one lengthy article, on January 19, 1860, at the time they were selecting leadership of the Robin Hoods, everyone was in high spirits and many speeches were being made. Here are some excerpts:

“He believed Lieutenant-Colonel Crawford to be a gentleman of great military experience, and a thorough soldier (cheers) and if the battalion was placed under his charge it would very soon rank second to none in the kingdom. Lieut. Colonel Crawfurd pledged himself, if appointed, to devote his time and energies to the movement, and even to take lodgings in Nottingham.”

“Lieutenant-Colonel Crawford had served in the army 17 years, five of which he had spent in the Rifle Brigade. During the Russian War he had the command of the Italian Legion, 4,000 strong, at Malta. He was a fine, noble-looking fellow, and would be the pride of the battalion when he made his appearance before them. (Laughter and cheers.)”

19C Newspaper access still temporarily available here viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15443

All the best,
Alan

[Peter Cowley]

Hi Alan

Thanks to you, I am now officially addicted to browsing the newspapers.

Cheers,

Peter

[KateCaruso]

Hello Peter, Alan and Raymond,

Sorry to butt in on your posts....but since connecting with Peter Cowley a short time ago (I am the 2nd cousin of whom he wrote a few posts ago....our grandmothers were sisters, both daughters of Frances Ann Crawfurd)....and I am trying my best to follow all of these various trails about Robert Crawfurd's daughters. As Alan began to connect the Ashford's and then mentioned Daisy Ashford, I started to get a little prickly feeling of the hairs on the back of my neck! On my bookshelf is a copy of Daisy Ashford's "The Young Visitors", given to me by my mother, published 1919. This book has been passed down through the generations of our family. Until now I had no idea where it came from, but knew it was cherished. Well, anyway, as I said, I just had to butt in.....now I'm back to reading the rest of your fascinating posts!....

All the best, Kate Caruso

Dear Alan and Raymond,

Great details Alan!

My dad's cousin Frances (one of the many grand-daughters of Francis Ann Crawfurd) spoke to me about Daisy and her hugely popular book. Knowing the link is quite wonderful. I really appreciate all the work you too are doing. I am very glad I stumbled over TalkingScot!

I hope sometime that both of you will visit my fair city. You are guaranteed the true Crawfurd welcome!

Cheers,

Peter

[Russell]

Hi Kate

And welcome to TalkingScot
What a first post =D> Nothing to apologise about.
This is what TalkingScot is all about, creating opportunities for folk to get in touch with family branches.

Russell

[Peter Cowley]

Greetings,

I hope everyone is having a happy Christmas/New Year break.

Have we answered with any certainty whether Patrick Reginald Crawfurd (son of Robert 1) died without issue? It looks pretty clear that his would be the only offspring of Robert 1 still bearing the name Crawfurd.

All the best.

Peter

[Currie]

Hello Peter, and the same to you and yours as well.

What do we know about Patrick Reginald Crawfurd, son of Robert Crawfurd and Frances O’Brien. Not much, it seems.

He’s on SP, born or baptised 27th April 1831, Dundonald, Ayr, as Patrick Reginald CRAWFORD, as previously mentioned. The 1841 census was on 6th June and has what is probably him as Reginald age 9 years.

1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/590 Place: Dundonald -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Dundonald Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dundonald
Folio: 2 Page: 28
Address: Newfield
CRAWFORD Frances F 42 England
CRAWFORD Fanny F 20 Ayrshire
CRAWFORD Emma F 18 Ayrshire
CRAWFORD Julia F 16 Ayrshire
CRAWFORD Letitia F 14 Ayrshire
CRAWFORD Reginald M 9 Ayrshire
PLUS 11 Servants

Robert Crawfurd, b. about 1816, inherited the estate when his father died in 1843, and appears to have sold Newfield soon after to a Mr. Finnie. There’s a Finnie in Newfield House in 1851 and no sign of any of the Crawfurds. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=BIX ... 22&f=false

Do you have any other information about Patrick? If there’s no obvious sign of him in the Scottish or English census for 1851 etc, and you can’t find a marriage or death for him anywhere in the UK, it may be worthwhile getting the 1851 census returns for the rest of the family to see if he turns up with one of them.

Of course he may have left the country, or may have even died before 1851. Dundonald Parish appears to have kept patchy death records but many, probably most, parishes didn’t bother to keep any, and it’s very possible for someone to disappear without trace. That’s unless there’s a newspaper report or a monumental inscription somewhere.

I wonder where all the Crawfurds who died at Newfield are buried, and if there are any clues there? Here’s a street view of Dundonald parish churchyard, looks impressive. It’s less than a mile from the house as the crow flies.
http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=en&i ... 6,,1,10.72

It seems there’s a book published by Troon & District Family History Society, "Dundonald Monumental Inscriptions", ISBN #0-9522292-0-X or something like that.

While we’re on street view I think the old building you can see here is part of what remains of Newfield (Stables?)
http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=en&i ... 58,,1,2.02

As described here
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk ... d-gardener

All the best,
Alan

[Peter Cowley]

Greetings Alan,

You are a constant inspiration.

The churchyard monuments do look quite grand and the grounds seem in good repair. Makes the monuments at St. Mary's in Fairford, Gloucestershire --last resting place of many of my Cowley ancestors--look just a bit shabby!

You have given me some good ideas and I will follow them up and report back.

Thank you.

Cheers,

Peter

[Raymond Crawfurd]

Dear Peter and Alan,
As you know we have a new contact who, I believe has some family information. I am planning to visit her soon and maybe her information will cover Patrick Reginald. I will let you know when I have seen her. Raymond

[Peter Cowley]

Dear Raymond, Alan, et al

I think this is a piece of news regarding Robert Crawfurd (2) whose wife was Annie Higgins. From the Scottish Census of 1871. I just ran across it this morning and won't have time to compare its data with those we have.

It looks as if our Late Lt. Col, impregnated the very young (15 or 16 years old, I think) Annie--who our new contact says she was told was very beautiful--and she gave birth to Robert (3) before Robert (2) and Annie were married. At some point not too long after, they decamped to Lerwick, Shetland Islands. Why would a old/young couple go there?

Name: Robert Crawford
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ann Crawford
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 5
Registration district: Lerwick and Gulberwick
Civil Parish: Lerwick and Gulberwick
Town: Lerwick
County: Shetland
Address: Hangcliff Lane
Occupation: Late Liew Colored (arunf)
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 195
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1871_2
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Crawford 54
Ann Crawford 23
Robert Crawford 7
Frances Crawford 6
Jalfridas Crawford 3
Joan Fordyce 17

[Currie]

Hello Peter,

The Shetlands are a long way away from what seemed to be his usual stamping grounds. As to why he would be there is a good question.

Here’s Hangcliff Lane, Lerwick. http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=en&i ... 9,,0,-7.88

It looks as though the Google camera car couldn’t manage the steps. The Minis in ‘The Italian Job’ would have made it up there no trouble at all.

That sounds like an Ancestry transcription of late Lieut. Colonel. Could the bit in brackets be army or initials representing something else? You’ll probably have to look at the image available at ScotlandsPeople to be sure.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he went there to get connected to the “1st Orkney Rifle Volunteer Corps at Lerwick, raised 24 April, 1860 as a sub-division; increased to coy strength Aug. 1866 and redesignated 1st Orkney and Shetland RVC” (from Regiments.org) They appear to have been around until 1887.

See also “Records of the Scottish volunteer force, 1859-1908” page 280.
http://www.archive.org/stream/recordsof ... 0/mode/2up

I haven’t found anything that would definitely connect him to the 1st Orkney etc Rifles, but he's previously been connected to Rifle Volunteers so there must be a good chance that was why he was in Shetland.

All the best,
Alan