looking for stephen & mary

[mossiepossie]

i'm looking for some information on stephen reid and mary mcqueen. all i have for them is that they had a daughter mary who i think was born in the renfrewshire area she married a john anderson on 7/11/1879 in glasgow but i have no info on her parents can anyone help?

[nelmit]

i'm looking for some information on stephen reid and mary mcqueen. all i have for them is that they had a daughter mary who i think was born in the renfrewshire area she married a john anderson on 7/11/1879 in glasgow but i have no info on her parents can anyone help?

What age was Mary when she married in 1879?

Regards,
Annette M

[mossiepossie]

hi nelmit on mary reid & John anderson's marriage cert. she was 20 years old and she stayed at 47 mclean street in glasgow.he was a coal miner, the marriage took place in the district of kinningpark. when i found mary's death certificate i didn't understand it see if you do. it was registered as mary reid married to john anderson, she died on 27/06/1905in the victora in firmary age 45 years , parish of cathcart in the county of renfrew. her usual address is down as 39 florence street glasgow. in the parents colomn it says mary mcqueen subsequently married to stephen reid coal miner. i don't understand why father and mother have not been noted as usual. can you explain it to me haven't come across this before.

[joette]

Looks like she wasn't married to Stephen Reid when Mary was born.He may not be the Father even though she went by the name of Reid.
They subsuquently married which if he is the Father & he was free to marry her at the time legitimises the child.
If he was not the Father it is just showing that the Mother married at some point & her name probably changed.
For example my Granny had two illegitimate children.One of the Father's has his name on the birth certificate ie he acknowledged he was the Father & went to Register the birth with her.Her other child has no Father's name on the birth certificate,in fact he was sent off abroad to escape the scandal..She then married my Grandpa-who was away fighting in WW1 when the children were conceived ,in fact the children were about 9&10 when they met & then married.On the death certificate of the 2nd child it states "Alexander" son of Rosanna" subsuquently married to John so&so"
Hope this explains it!

[nelmit]

hi nelmit on mary reid & John anderson's marriage cert. she was 20 years old and she stayed at 47 mclean street in glasgow.he was a coal miner, the marriage took place in the district of kinningpark. when i found mary's death certificate i didn't understand it see if you do. it was registered as mary reid married to john anderson, she died on 27/06/1905in the victora in firmary age 45 years , parish of cathcart in the county of renfrew. her usual address is down as 39 florence street glasgow. in the parents colomn it says mary mcqueen subsequently married to stephen reid coal miner. i don't understand why father and mother have not been noted as usual. can you explain it to me haven't come across this before.

Are you positive Mary's mother's name is given as Mary?

Could it be Margaret?

There is this family in 1881 -

Dwelling: 8 King St
Census Place: Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203585 GRO Ref Volume 573 EnumDist 107 Page 9
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Steven REID M 34 M Johnston, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Iron Miner
Marget REID M 38 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Eliza REID U 18 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Mill Worker
William REID 11 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Agnes REID 9 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar

I think this could be Agnes and William's births -

AGNES QUININ
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 24 DEC 1872 High-Low-Middle Churches, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland

Parents:
Mother: MARGARET QUININ


WILLIAM QUINAN
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 17 JUN 1870 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland

Parents:
Mother: MARGARET QUINAN

I can't find anything on Eliza or Mary though and I can't find a marriage between Steven and Margaret.

Hopefully I'm not leading you up the garden path with this lot but there are too many coincidences not to consider this lady as Mary's mother especially since she called her daughter Margaret.

BTW is this Mary in 1881 again born in Paisley?

Dwelling: 47 Maclean St
Census Place: Govan, Lanark, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203684 GRO Ref Volume 646-1 EnumDist 7 Page 37
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John ANDERSON M 21 M Blythswood, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Wood Circle Sawyer
Mary ANDERSON M 22 F Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Margaret ANDERSON 1 F Govan, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Charles A. CAMPBELL U 21 M Ireland
Occ: Labourer (Starch Work)

Kind regards,
Annette M

[mossiepossie]

hi nelmit i got the census in 1891 but in the page i ran off steven reid is 43 years old and a william reid is 21 years who i presume is the son but they are staying with john and mary at 13 eaglesham street, but mary on the census is 30 which would have made steven 13 when he had her, which doesn't add up does it . i,m going out just now but i,ll look into the 1881 census later. could mcqueen and quinan be the same family do you think?

[karenmcc]

Hi,

There's this marriage from the IGI:

STPHEN REID m MARGARET QUINNAN 16 Oct 1873 Old Monkland, Lanark.

Karen

[nelmit]

hi nelmit i got the census in 1891 but in the page i ran off steven reid is 43 years old and a william reid is 21 years who i presume is the son but they are staying with john and mary at 13 eaglesham street, but mary on the census is 30 which would have made steven 13 when he had her, which doesn't add up does it . i,m going out just now but i,ll look into the 1881 census later. could mcqueen and quinan be the same family do you think?

Are you saying there was a Steven and William Reid matching the 1881 census at King Street living with your Mary and John in 1891?

As for Steven being too young to be Mary's father, remember on her death entry it said her mother subsequently married Steven Reid, so Steven isn't necessarily her father.

Obviously I can't be sure but I think anybody who has ever researched the name McQueen will tell you that they have found many variations.

Of course the biggest spanner in the works is that Mary said her mother's name was Mary when she married John.

Would you like to upload Mary's marriage entry and the 1891 census to the gallery?

Regards,
Annette M

[nelmit]

Hi,

There's this marriage from the IGI:

STPHEN REID m MARGARET QUINNAN 16 Oct 1873 Old Monkland, Lanark.

Karen

Definitely worth a look I think.

[karenmcc]

Hi,

There are also these two births on the IGI which could fit for Mary and Elizabeth:

MARY KEAN b 16 OCT 1859 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew Mother Mary Kean.

ELIZABETH KEAN 26th Sep 1863 Port Glasgow, Renfrew. Mother Mary Kean.


Mayby for whatever reasons Mary and Margaret were the same person. Maybe she called herself Maggie and it sounded like Mary?

I have someone in my tree whose name varies between McGAVIN, McCARN, CAIRNS and KERR (they're just the ones I can remember for sure right now). So I think that McQUEEN, KEAN, QUINN and QUINNAN could all be variants of the same name.

Karen