Seath, Seth or any other variation

[Big Eagles]

I now understand that the Scots love to tweek things everso slightly to keep the mind boggling...

For the life of me I'm stuck again, which we undoubtedly mean someone responding by morning with a sensible and somewhat easy solution.

Looking for more details on Andrew Seth and Ann Leven(?), believe they had two children Katherine and James. I think Andrew and Ann are both showing on the 1841 census so were born 1776 and 1781 respectively...but can I find a marriage cert or dc's. Or Katherine's DC for that matter....

Is this the start of something weird and wonderful in my tree? But then again some of my relatives are weird...answers on the back of a postcard to the normal address

Time to sleep...

[Russell]

Hi Big Eagles

You didn't say which part of the country you were looking in

Seeth is not too uncommon but can be spelt Seith, Seth(e), Seath depending on who made the actual entry. According to Black's 'Surnames of Scotland' it is most common in the Fife area and I have come across quite a few in my own searches there. Obviously, in more recent times the name has spread further afield.
From the pre-1855 Fife deaths CD there are several but none mention an Ann Leven.
Andrew Seath aged 49 d Dysart, St Clairtown 1845 occ Farmer & feuar
Andrew Seath aged 26 d Dysart St Clairtown 1847 occ Farmer
Andrew Seath aged no age Dysart Dunnikier 1787
Andrew Seath no age given Dysart St Clairtown 1819 occ Farmer & feuar
Andrew Seath aged 11 Kirkaldy 1849

Have you used wild cards for S*th* to bring up all the possible variants (and a fair number of Smiths no doubt )
Then substitute various letters for the asterisks until you eliminate the Smiths. It's a tedious process but can give a pretty fair idea of whether you are on the right track.
Searching is all part of the fun in this game

Russell

[JustJean]

I guess then that the birth of Katherine recorded in Falkland stands a good chance of being yours.

SETH, Katherine Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 15 Jan 1814
Christening Date: 6 Feb 1814 Recorded in: Falkland, Fifeshire, Scotland
Father: Andrew SETH
Mother: Ann LEVEN

Yet I'm not finding a James record anywhere!

So let's look at the 1841 census where you think you have Andrew and Ann. I'm assuming this might be the family you're looking at???

Name: Andrew Seath
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1776
Gender: Male
Where born: Fife, Scotland

Civil parish: Dysart
County: Fife
Address: Strathove
Occupation: Farmer
Parish Number: 426
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Halden 19
Cathrine Haldon 2
Margaret Haldon 24
Thomas Haldon 30
Jean Henderson 19
Andrew Seath 65
Ann Seath 60
Thomas Sinclair 16

and if so.....well.....Andrew's death is found after 1855 at which time it states he's a widower and his grandson is the informant but it does not state who he was married to!!!

Here they are again in 1851 minus Ann

Name: Andrew Seath
Age: 82
Estimated birth year: abt 1769
Relationship: Father-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Kinglassie, Fifeshire
Parish Number: 424
Civil parish: Dunfermline
Town: Pitcorthie
County: Fife
Address: Pitcorthie
ED: 3A
Page: 12 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 57
Line: 16
Roll: CSSCT1851_87
Household Members: Name Age
Helen Balfour 18
Janet Blackwood 23
Agnes Halden 10
Alexander Halden 10
Catherine Halden 12
Isabella Halden 5
Margaret Halden 41
Margaret Halden 8
Thomas Halden 40
Andrew Seath 82

So now the trick seems to be to try and find out who this Andrew was married to. We'd like to think it was an Ann....but Ann who???? I thought sure I'd find a DC for Margaret under Seath and H*ld*n and it would be over for us....but not so easy. So here is the Halden family in 1861....

Name: Margaret M Halden
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Abbotshall, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 424/2
Registration district: Dunfermline Landward
Civil parish: Dunfermline Landward
County: Fife
Address: Farm Of Easter Pitcorthie
Occupation: Farmers Wife
ED: 4
Page: 11 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 56
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1861_55
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Halden 19
Cathrine Halden 21
Isabella Halden 15
Margaret Halden 16
Margaret M Halden 50
Thomas Halden 52
Maggret Heir 21
Robert Heir 15
Elizabeth Hutton 25
Agnes Robertson 19
Henry Stark 17

and note that Margaret states her place of birth as Abbotshall which doesn't help a whole lot as it's not particularly near Falkland to tie in with the Katherine and it's not particularly near Auchterderran to make this birth below qualify as hers....

MARGT. SEATH Pedigree
Female
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth: 08 MAR 1811 Auchterderran, Fife, Scotland

Parents:
Father: ANDW. SEATH Family
Mother: ANN TAYLOR

so back to hunting SP for Margaret's death....and after thrashing about....finally here it is...

1875 HALDEN MARGARET MOODIE ROBERTSON F 64 DUNFERMLINE LANDWARD /FIFE 424/02 0179

but it says she had been married first to a Robertson and her maiden name was Moodie!!!!!!!!! So how can Andrew Seath be a father in law to Thomas Halden in 1851????????

I don't think this is helping......

Anyone got some further ideas on this one??????

Best wishes
Jean

[JustJean]

Well I almost thought I had it.....the ages are so screwy between 1841 and 1851 that I convinced myself that maybe the first Margaret died before 1855 and Thomas married a Margaret Robertson mn Moodie to replace her. So to check out this theory I located Thomas's DC...

1876 HALDEN THOMAS M 65 DUNFERMLINE LANDWARD /FIFE 424/02 0070

And here it states he had been married to Margaret Moodie formerly Margaret Seath. Does that mean what I hope it means? That my theory is correct???? Or is that a way of stating Margaret Moodie's mn was Seath??????

On a different track.....I wonder if you've looked for any Monumental Inscriptions? When you locate the DC for Andrew Seath it will tell you the cemetery he's buried in. Maybe they put him next to his wife Ann.....and just maybe there is a stone........

Best wishes
Jean

[JustJean]

Well....when all else fails .....just consult the great oracle at IGI

1. ALEXANDER HALDANE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 17 NOV 1841 Dysart, Fife, Scotland

2. ANNE HALDANE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 FEB 1838 Dysart, Fife, Scotland

3. MARGARET SEATH HALDANE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 09 JUN 1844 Dysart, Fife, Scotland

4. ISABELLA HALDANE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 26 NOV 1846 Dysart, Fife, Scotland

all children of Thomas Haldane and Margaret Seath.....

I guess my wonderful theory has been disproved

Best wishes
Jean

[JustJean]

Ill just keep rambling on here......

Back to there being two Margarets. I'm afraid I blew right past the biggest and best clue of all.....

Name: Agnes Robertson
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship: Stepdaughter
Mother's name: Margaret M
Gender: Female
Where born: Abbotshall, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 424/2
Registration district: Dunfermline Landward
Civil parish: Dunfermline Landward
County: Fife

Seems that Agnes in 1861 is the proof. She's named as Haldan in 1851 but there is no birth for her in the IGI....but there is a marriage of David Robertson and Margaret Moodie in 1840. Sooooo......it does appear that Thomas Haldan was married first to Margaret Seath who died between Nov 1846 and the taking of the 1851 census. All we know for sure is her parents were Andrew Seath and we assume Ann.

Looks like it's back to searching for that possible MI for Andrew and his wife........

Best wishes
Jean

[Jack]

Ill just keep rambling on here......

No one wants to interrupt your train of thought.
You're doing a grand bit of detective work...
Jack

[Big Eagles]

Yet I'm not finding a James record anywhere!

Jean,

Just to echo Jack, I'm loving your train of thought.

I can also confirm I have James' DC which I'm hoping the mods will post a link to at some point in the not too distant future (I've just uploaded the file) - not sure how I originally found it...

http://talkingscot.com/gallery/displayi ... ?pos=-1419

So keep going - not sure where you'll end up - but possibly in a darkened padded room

Regards

Andy

Gallery URL added - AndrewP