francis kelly

bleckie · Post by **bleckie** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:55 am

Good morning everyone

I have found another of these ancesters who take great delight in trying to hide from us.

I am looking for a Francis Kelly who married Ann Smith in montrose on 20th June 1882.

On their daughter Elizabeth's marriage on 5th June 1912 To Alexander Tulloch in Perth Francis Kelly is listed as deceased, her mother is now known as Annie Fraser previously Kelly m.s. Smith.

I cannot find a death for Fransis Kelly anywhere nor can I find a marriage for Ann(ie) Smith (Kelly) to a Fraser anywhere.

Francis Kelly's occupation is listed as craneman and Annie Smith as a fish dealer.

Can any of you good people help

many thanks

yours aye

BruceL

Post by **SarahND** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:54 am

Hi BruceL,
Have you found Francis and Ann in the 1891 and 1901 censuses? Where were they? If Francis is still alive in 1901 it would narrow the window of time to look for his death.

Is he the Ship Yard Labourer age 51 in Govan in 1901, with children Maggie, 15; Charles, 14; and Annie, 4?
When was his daughter Elizabeth born?

More questions than answers, but they may help

All the best,
Sarah

bleckie · Post by **bleckie** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:34 am

Hi Sarah

I have Him on the 1891 census living at 47 Skinnergate Perth with his family.

Wife Ann Smith Kelly 26
dau Elizabeth 5
son James 2
son John 8mths

no sign of family in 1901 census.

When daughter Elizabeth marries Alexander Tulloch 5th July 1912 in Perth

Francis is listed as deceased and mother ann is now knowm as Fraser.

yours aye

Bruce

Susan · Post by **Susan** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:07 pm

Hi Bruce

Found the family in 1901, still in Perth, but Ann is now married to John Fraser.

There are two young Fraser children – Annie 2 and Flora 6 months – both born Perth.

The Kelly children are shown as step-children of John Fraser – Lizzie 15, James 12, John 10 and William 7 – Lizzie born Dundee the others all Perth.

This should narrow down considerably your hunt for the death of Francis Kelly and Ann’s marriage to John Fraser.

William Kelly born Perth 1893 or 1894 and Annie Fraser born Perth 1898 or 1899 leaves you with a window of about 5 to 7 years to work with.

Susan.

bleckie · Post by **bleckie** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:09 pm

Hi Susan

Many thanks for your information I have found the 1901 census, also both Annie & Flora's births

Annie born 29th october 1898
Flora born 1st october 1900

both are illigitamate, still cannot find death of Francis Kelly
cannot find marriage of Annie and John Fraser?

did Francis die in Scotland?
did John and annie marry?

yours aye

Bruce

Post by **SarahND** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:42 pm

Hi Bruce,
No wonder I couldn't find him

Here is how he looks on Ancestry.com:

1891
47 Skinnegt, St Pauls, Perthshire
Francer Keely, 26, Head, born Talkirk, Steam Craneman
Ann Lunk Keely, 26, Wife, born Montrose, Fish Dealer
Elizabeth Keely, 5, Dau, born Dundee, Scholar
James Keely, 2, Son, born Perth
John Keely, 8 Mo, Son, born Perth

And you tell me that "Lunk" is really "Smith"?

There are a number of possible Francis Kellys who died in England during the relevant time... but how to know which, if any, are yours?

Regards,
Sarah