1871 Scottland Census Help

[Highlander sa]

Hi everyone,
once again I am stuck
On Ancestry i have found my Ancestor William New b abt 1864 in the 1871 scotland census living with his siblings and his mother Janet New
in Lanarkshire, on a farm called Brownhill, Janet is down as Farmers Wife,
but i can't find them on Scotlands people at all, i think it may be under a different spelling, I have got Williams marriage certificate which names his father as a Thomas New a railroad Labourer, but as william married in England the certificate is not much help.
If anyone can help at all i would be very grateful,

many thanks
Steve

[Jack]

Hi Steve,
Seems SP has that "NEW" family as KERR.
But the father here is a George, not a Thomas...
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GEORGE KERR
JANET DICK
Marriage: 22 JUN 1860 Bothwell, Lanark, Scotland
~some children~
JANET KERR - Birth: 14 AUG 1860 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
CHRISTINA KERR - Birth: 17 FEB 1862 Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland
WILLIAM KERR - Birth: 16 APR 1864 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
ROBERT KERR - Birth: 01 APR 1866 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
GEORGE KERR - Birth: 08 FEB 1868 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
MARION JANE DICK KERR - Birth: 07 JAN 1870 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
MARY KERR - Birth: 09 AUG 1872 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
ALISON KERR - Birth: 30 APR 1874 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
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1861 census 655 Ed 16 p 4 (Shotts)
Wester Rosehall.
George KERR, head, 30, Grain Cattle Dealer, b Whitburn, Linlithgowshire
Janet KERR, wife, 19, --------------------------b Bothwell, LKS
Janet KERR, daur, 8mos, --------------------b Shotts, LKS
Alice DICK, sis-in-law, 8, Scholar, b Bothwell, LKS
Marion THOMSON, servant, 13, Dom. Servant, b Shotts, LKS
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Jack
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ps later - I know you have the 1871, it's just to compare.
And perhaps father George has remarried by 1881?
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1871 census 655 Ed 9 pp 36-37 (Shotts)
Brownhill.
Janet KERR, wife, marrd, 29, Farmer's wife, b Lanarkshire.
Jessie KERR, daur, 10, --------------------b Shotts, LKS
Christina KERR, daur, 9, Scholar, b Shotts, LKS
William KERR, son, 7, Scholar, b Shotts, LKS
Robt. KERR, son, 5, Scholar, b Shotts, LKS
George KERR, son, 3, --------b Shotts, LKS
Marion J. D. KERR, daur, 1, b Shotts, LKS
Alex. McLAREN, servant, 22, Ploughman, b Perthshire
William FISHER, servant, 17, Servant, b Calder, LKS
Isabella BISSELL? servant, 21, Servant, b Motherwell, LKS
Sarah DOCHERTY? servant, 14, Servant, b Shotts, LKS
Thomas BLICE? servant, 74, Servant, b Ireland
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1881 Census 655-2 EnumDist 4 Page 5 (Shotts)
Brownhill Farm
Margaret KERR M 30 F Cairnehead, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmers Wife
William KERR U 16 M Brownhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Employed On Farm
Robert KERR U 15 M Brownhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Employed On Farm
George KERR 13 M Brownhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Employed On Farm
Marion KERR 10 F Brownhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Mary KERR 8 F Brownhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Alison KERR 6 F Brownhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Isabella KERR 5 F Brownhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Jessie KERR 1 F Brownhill, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur
Isabella WHITE U 23 F Sanquhar, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: General Servant
Ellen WILLIAMSON 12 F Beeches, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Nurse
William DICKSON U 21 M Bathgate, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Farm Servant
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So a transcription error by Ancestry saying the surname in 1871 was NEW - should've been KERR.
Sorry, not what you wanted to hear...
What censuses do you have for William New?
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[Highlander sa]

Hi Jack,

thanks for this, looks like it's not going to be that easy,

My william New is on the 1901 and 1891 England ensus (as he was married in kent england), with one giving his birth as 1867 and the other as 1864, born in Scotland, and on his marriage certificate in 1890 he was 25 years old.

I have been through Ancestry and Scotlands people and there is only one other william new with a father thomas in scotland but he was born about 1851 which even allowing a certain amount of leeway for the birth year is still very far out, and that Thomas occupation is an engine driver.

The only other William New born around that time with a father Thomas who is a Railroad Labourer is in the England Census for Wiltshire

But he is down as being born in Stratton Wiltshire!!!

thank you for clearing that section up for me

Steve

ps:is it possible for him to have been born in scotland without appearing on the scotlands people records?

[AndrewP]

ps:is it possible for him to have been born in scotland without appearing on the scotlands people records?

Hi Steve,

It shouldn't be possible. All post-1854 births should have been registered, according to the law. I guess a few may have escaped registration, but I presume these were very few in number.

For that era, all of the births registered should appear on ScotlandsPeople. I am not aware of any records missing from the website.

All the best,

AndrewP

[Jack]

Hi Steve,
Do you know if your William New had any siblings?
If yes, forenames? Approx birth years?
And do you know what Wiliam's mother's forename & surname are?
Ta - Jack