James Campbell 1828

niall · Post by **niall** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:54 pm

looking for descendants of James born Paisley to John and Isabella. Anyone?

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:10 pm

Hi Niall
Do you have a surname for Isabella....?

I'm seeing this one on IGI, Paisley, but in 1829 and it is a submission:
JAMES CAMPBELL
Birth: 14 SEP 1829
Christening: 06 DEC 1829 Paisley, Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland

Parents:
Father: JAMES CAMPBELL
Mother: ISOBEL MUIR

- is this the one you are interested in?

Best wishes
Lesley

niall · Post by **niall** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:41 pm

Hi Lesley,
aye, they are the ones. I need a connection with this line and my frustrating brick wall!!!
Niall

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:07 pm

Again, an IGI submission, but looks like a possible brother:

ALEXANDER CAMPBELL
Male
Birth: 10 MAR 1839 Paisley, Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland

Parents:
Father: JAMES CAMPBELL
Mother: ISABELLA MUIR

Have you had a look for them on the 1841 census?

best wishes
Lesley

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:23 pm

Hi Niall
According to SP, James Campbell and Isabella Muir married on 8th July 1828, in Abbey Parish, Renfrew.

Have you seen the OPR for this, or had a look for the OPRs of either of the births found on IGI so far?

I'm just not sure how much you know about the family already...it helps us to help you if you can let us know how you arrived at this couple. e.g. have you traced back through James, and are these parents mentioned at the time of his death? Can you describe the nature of your "brick wall"?

Best wishes
Lesley

niall · Post by **niall** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:46 am

Hi Lesley,
The brick wall, ah, the brick wall. Well I have just noticed another

When you replied first time around I cocentrated soley on Isabella and replied too hastily BECAUSE my James' mother was Isabella Muir and his father was John. James birth is 10/02/1828 Paisley High Church.
What are the chances of two Isabella Muirs?

My John Campbell was working at Belvedere House at the time of a Mungo Nutter Campbell. John's first born (1813) was named Mungo, presumably after the aforementioned Mungo, as there are no Mungos in the naming pattern that I have so far traced.
I suppose like all brick walls it is due to the fact that everyone assummed everyone knew

My grandmother informed my uncle that we were Campbell of/in Cawdor and it was left at that. My grandmother is deceased and my uncle knows nothing apart from that statement.
All my research traces the family from Edinburgh 150 yrs back to Glasgow 100yrs back to Lochgoilhead and there I remain

Niall

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:19 am

Hi Niall

James birth is 10/02/1828 Paisley High Church.

You may well be correct - as noted above, the IGI entry was a submission, to not to be relied upon as accurate. SP has three children to this couple in the Paisley area:

10/02/1828 James Campbell, High Church, Renfrew
03/05/1829 Jean Campbell, Paisley High Church
17/10/1830 Isabella Campbell, Paisley High Church
- no sign of Mungo so far, but he might be there behind a mistranscription but if, as you said, "John's first born (1813) was named Mungo", that birth is occuring 15 years before John Campbell married Isabella - do you know if Isabella was his second marriage? If your family is the one with the Mungo b. 1813, it begins to look as if this might be a different Campbell family perhaps?

Have you looked at all of these to see if there are any clues about the family? Have you looked at the OPR marriage?

And if 1828 is correct for the birth of the James to this family (with mother Isabella), given the date of James birth before the marriage, there may well be some interesting reading to be found in the Kirk Session records, if they have survived for that area.

When did your James die? Have you seen his death entry?

Best wishes
Lesley

niall · Post by **niall** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:07 pm

Hi Lesley

My John was married at the outset to Isabella so...

Based on the fact that I have a family range going from 21 down to 4 and that my John disappears off the radar from Belevedere and the chances of two Isabella Muirs married to a John Campbell, though I note your record as a James

The copy of birth that I have from SP says John and Isabella

Probably me grasping at straws because my absolute known rellies keep going off the radar. Mungo who dies in 1855 is not on the 1841 nor 1851 census anywhere in Scotland. His father John?

Niall

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:45 pm

Hi Niall
Apologies if I'm being dense here but I'm just not getting this to add up.

On SP 14/11/1825 John CAMPBELL (not James this time - that was my wee muddle!) married ISABELLA MUIR at Paisley High Church, Renfrew

Again according to SP JOHN Campbell and Isabella Muir have three children:
10/02/1828 James Campbell, High Church, Renfrew
03/05/1829 Jean Campbell, Paisley High Church
17/10/1830 Isabella Campbell, Paisley High Church

- but in the family you are interested in John and Isabella had a child called Mungo in 1813?
On IGI is this record:
MUNGO CAMPBELL Male
Birth: 30 AUG 1813
Christening: 26 SEP 1813, Barony, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Parents:
Father: JOHN CAMPBELL
Mother: ISOBELLA MUIR
- and it is an extract, so probably pretty reliable.

The above John and Isabella, the parents of Mungo, which I'm guessing is the family you are interested in, seem to have been married on 5 June 1812 in Glasgow, according to IGI (But is is a submission again...)
I reckon given both the date mismatch and the place mismatch that these are most likely two separate couples.

Best wishes
Lesley

Post by **SarahND** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:11 pm

Hi niall,
What was Mungo's occupation on his death certificate? And where was he when he died? Just thought I'd take a stab at finding him in 1841 and 1851.

All the best,
Sarah