Samuela C. S. Longmore

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:32 am

Happy New Year to everyone!

Here's a heap of frustration I'd like to share with anyone who might take it up:

My 2x great grandfather James Longmore was one of 10 children. His younger brother George married Sophia Cumming around Deskford, Banffshire about 1833. In 1834 they had their first child Amelia Carolina Sophia Longmore.

In 1835, they had their second child Samuela C. S. Longmore. (#3 was John--just plain John!) Out of 8 children, the only birth OPR missing is Samuela's. I can't find her on the 1841 or 1851 Census, but she appears in 1861, age 26, living with her parents and 3 siblings in Deskford, Banffshire. Then she disappears. I have tried all sorts of searches including with wildcards in all of the BMD categories and found nothing.

Anyone want to try their luck? Anything that you find will be much appreciated!

Carol

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:03 am

Hello Carol and Happy New Year,

The poor girl was probably stuck with the name Samuela when she was at home with her parents but when she was away from them was given or adopted or used a more reasonable name. Probably one of the middle names unless they were equally unappealing to her. Any clues as to what they might be? The minister at the baptism probably didn’t like it either and maybe made a few changes?

If 1861 is the only time the name crops up can we be sure she really is their natural daughter despite her being listed as such?

Is it possible that Samuela is one and the same as one of the other daughter’s names on the Census’s. Could Samuela be Amelia, the middle bit matches and the first bit looks very similar.

Just some thoughts and apologies to all Samuela’s,
All the best,
Alan

Post by **AndrewP** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:55 am

Hi Carol,

I see Samuela is the transcription by Ancestry. SP has her indexed as Armnela C S Longmore. On looking at the census page, my interpretation is Ammela or Aminela (definitely doesn't begin with S on comparing with Sophia on the line above). So using the other information you have, I would say that she should be Amelia C S Longmore.

All the best,

AndrewP

Post by **paddyscar** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:18 am

ScotlandsPeople has 6 children of George and Sophia born/baptised between 1833 and 1854 -

Ann 08/10/54
Emilia Carolina 01/06/34
Isobel 04/04/41
Janet 17/07/51
John 28/08/36
Margaret 15/07/44

Emilia born in Fordyce, the rest in Deskford, Banff

Between 1855 and 1860, there are 25 Longmore children born in Banff. You may be able to narrow that down to select those born to George & Sophia
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/searc ... index.aspx

Frances

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:07 am

Here she is in 1851-

Name: Amelia L C Longmore
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relationship: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Fordyce, Banff
Parish Number: 151
Civil Parish: Deskford
County: Banffshire
Address: 4 Berryhillock
Occupation: Baker
ED: 1
Page: 16 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 75
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1851_34
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Longmore 32
Margaret Longmore 24
Isabella Longmore 4
John Longmore under 1 mo
Amelia L C Longmore 16

She's still with her father in 1871 as Amelia age 36.

I agree that she and 'Samuela' are one and the same.

Regards,
Annette

Post by **AndrewP** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:38 am

Here are the family events as I see them.

GEORGE LONGMORE / SOPHIA CUMMING: Marriage 10 MAY 1834 Fordyce
EMILIA CAROLINA SOPHIA LONGMORE - Christening: 01 JUN 1834 Fordyce
JOHN LONGMORE - Born: 13 AUG 1836, Christening: 28 AUG 1836 Deskford
ISOBEL LONGMORE - Born: 22 MAR 1841, Christening: 04 APR 1841 Deskford
1841 census: Kirktown, Deskford: Geo Longmoor (25), Sophie (25), Amelia (7), John (4), Isabel (2mo)
MARGARET LONGMORE - Born 08 JUL 1844, Christening: 25 JUL 1844 Deskford
JANE LONGMORE - Born 01 AUG 1846, Christening: 30 AUG 1846 Deskford
WILLIAM LONGMORE - Born 26 DEC 1848, Christening: 28 JAN 1849 Deskford
1851 census: Kirkton, Deskford: George Longmore (37), Saphia (38), John (14), Isabla (10), Margaret (6), William (21) [presumably 2]
1851 census: 4 Berryhillock, Deskford: Andrew Longmore (32), Margaret (24), Isabella (4), John (under 1 mo), (niece) Amelia L C Longmore (16)
JANET LONGMORE - Born 25 JUN 1851: Christening: 17 JUL 1851 Deskford
ANN LONGMORE - Born 23 AUG 1854, Christening: 08 OCT 1854 Deskford
1861 census: Kirkton, Deskford: George Longmore (47), Sophia (49), Samuela C S (26) [presumably Amelia], Isabella (20), William (12), Ann (6)
1862: Sophia dies, age 50, Deskford
1871 census: Kirkton, Deskford: George Longmuir (56), Amelia (36); grandsons: William Longmuir (8), George (6)
1881 census: Labourer's Cottage, Deskford: George Longmore (66), Amelia (45), Isabella (38)
1885: George dies, age 69, Deskford
1891 census: Manse Cottage, Deskford: Amelia Longmor (55), Isabella (50)
1895: Amelia dies, age 61, Deskford

Assumptions:
Jane (1846) presumably died before the 1851 census.
Janet (1851) presumably died before 1855.

Sources:
Births/Baptisms and Banns/Marriage: online IGI
Censuses: Ancestry
Deaths: ScotlandsPeople (free search)

All the best,

AndrewP

speleobat2 · Post by **speleobat2** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:08 pm

Wow! Thanks everyone! Sometimes you just need a little help clearing away the forest so you can see the trees!

It didn't occur to me that Amelia and Samuela would be the same person. The Longmore/Longmuirs were so regular about getting their family events registered that I couldn't see why poor Samuela got left out of the books though there were many possibilities. Her younger sister dies as a pauper lunatic and her brother John may have gone to Austrailia, but even Isabella is in the census records right up to her death.

Thanks again,

Carol