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ksyoung · Post by **ksyoung** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:27 pm

Could someone do the following l1851 Census look-up for me? I've tried FreeCen with no luck.

James Wylie, farmer in Stewarton, Ayrshire. not married.

James Wylie was living with his parents and siblings in Fullwood, Stewarton, Ayrshire in 1841 (found in FreeCen). By 1851 his father had died and his mother and some of the brothers had emigrated to USA. I'm trying to track down James.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:01 pm

Hi,

Do you know who James married? children names?
Did he always stay in Stewarton?

Jack

ksyoung · Post by **ksyoung** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:19 pm

James Wylie was not married in 1851. His age about 30 in 1851. He may have had his younger brother Andrew living with him. I believe he inherited the tenancy to a farm in Fullwood, Stewarton when his father, Alexander Wylie, died in 1844.

w.stevely · Post by **w.stevely** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:26 pm

hi
there is not a James Wylie age 35 on the 1851 cencus index for Ayrshire
Willie

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:29 pm

Hi,

May i ask how it is known that James wasn't married in 1851?

Was James a bachelor all his life? Do you have him in the 1881 census?

Ta - Jack

Carole · Post by **Carole** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:45 pm

Hi,

There is a James Wyllie (note the double l) aged 34, on his own, in Stewarton in 1851, though. The reference number from the census index is 1851/616/520/3/10/10. Hope this helps.

Carole

ksyoung · Post by **ksyoung** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:17 am

Thanks for all your replies. I don't know for a fact that James wasn't married in 1851 - I know that he married in Illinois USA in 1859 (to Jane Parker from Ayrshire). He appears in Illinois in the 1860 census, but I can't find him in the 1850 USA census. And yes, the Wylies seem to usually be Wyllies in Scotland.

I have a copy of his father's will (inventory, actually) which lists the other children but not James, or the widow. My understanding of Scottish inheritance is that James would inherit the land and not be mentioned in the inventory, and that the widow would inherit 1/3 of the moveable goods and not be mentioned. This widow, Jean Allison Wyllie, moved to Illinois with her sons and after her death in 1875, her probate papers include reference to payment of back taxes on a house "in Stewarton". I've wondered off the subject, thanks for your indulgence!

Katherine

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:35 am

Katherine

The standard situation was that, by law, 1/3rd of the moveable estate ("guids and gear") went to the children, or their children if they predeceased the parent; 1/3rd to the widow or widower; with only the final 1/3rd at the disposal of the deceased person if he/she had made a testament (Scots for "will"). The testament, at that time, could not deal with lands and buildings.

On the land and buildings side of things, at that time, the eldest son normally inherited as of right, and, as a result, was often not mentioned in the testament (let's not get into the complication for the moment of tailzies).

Also common for the widow to be allowed the "life-rent" of the house, i.e. she was allowed to use it as her own during the remainder of her life.

Davie

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:47 pm

Hi Katherine,

With Carole's help on the no. here's James. There's a transcription error in the index as Wylie had only one "L" on the page.
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1851 cens 616 (520) Ed 3 p 10 (Stewarton)
Fullwood.
James WYLIE [sic], head, u/m 34, farming 64 acres, b Stewarton, AYR
Jean ALLISON, mother, widow, 57, housekeeper, b Kilbride, LKS
Margaret KING, servant, u/m 25, house servant, b Stewarton, AYR
James HOWIE, servant, 13, farm servant, b Stewarton, AYR
Susannah BROWNLEE, lodger, u/m 74, vagrant, b Glasgow, LKS
--
Jack

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