brickwall mccallum

mrbred · Post by **mrbred** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:30 pm

Does anybody know if there are any records in Scotland on Court injunctions if a man left his wife and family around 1880?
My ggrandfather appears to have used the names Duncan,Robert,& Donald Mccallum on his 12 childrens birth/ marriage certs in England and as he does not appear to have married his partner I`m wondering whether he used various names to avoid detection from the authorities.
Thelma

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:50 pm

Hi Thelma
Sorry it has taken a while for anyone to repond to your post. There may be records if your couple did bring the law into their separation, but there is always the chance that he just up and left, leaving no papertrail. If they were not married, thre would be no need for divorce, so there'll be no record there. If there were any court records, and they were living in Scotland at the time, and if the records have survived, you would most likley find them at NAS, so perhaps try the catalogue there:
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/

The fact that your chap seems to go by muliple names is going to make finding any mention of him far more difficult for you. Have you tried tracking him in later census records (but of course, if you think he changed names frequently, that may make it a near to impossible task!

What about a death? When and where was he born? When was his last child born? What is the position with the family in 1881?

Best wishes
Lesley

mrbred · Post by **mrbred** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:27 pm

LesleyB wrote:Hi Thelma
Sorry it has taken a while for anyone to repond to your post. There may be records if your couple did bring the law into their separation, but there is always the chance that he just up and left, leaving no papertrail. If they were not married, thre would be no need for divorce, so there'll be no record there. If there were any court records, and they were living in Scotland at the time, and if the records have survived, you would most likley find them at NAS, so perhaps try the catalogue there:
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/

The fact that your chap seems to go by muliple names is going to make finding any mention of him far more difficult for you. Have you tried tracking him in later census records (but of course, if you think he changed names frequently, that may make it a near to impossible task! What about a death? When and where was he born? When was his last child born? What is the position with the family in 1881?

Best wishes
Lesley

Hi Lesley
Thanks for the info. Another family descendant is visiting the NAS this month & will look for any court records as you suggest.
The problem is that my ggrandfather Duncan McCallum`s whole life seems to be a complete mystery. Apart from the 1901 census which shows his name as McCallund & that he was born in Scotland around 1850, he seems to have avoided every other England census from 1851 to 1911. He & his partner(who used his surname but doesn`t appear to have married him) raised their family of 10 children in England between 1886 & 1905 whilst living in London & the Medway towns in Kent. Although the mother`s name is consistent on the children`s birth certs there are three different christian names for the father. The rest of the family appear on the 1891,1901 & 1911 census but there is no sign of Duncan. It is the failure to marry, the use of other christian names / misspelt surname & omission from 3 census that makes me wonder if he already had a family back in Scotland & was therefore attempting to avoid any form of authorititive documents that could make him traceable. There are several Duncan McCallum births & census entries in Scotland but it is a common name & impossible to prove a link without more info of him.
His partner Catherine died in Feb 1912 & was shown as a widow on her death cert but there is no trace of Duncan`s death anywhere between that year & their last child`s birth in 1905.
Any ideas please??
Thanks
Thelma

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:00 pm

Hi Thelma

The rest of the family appear on the 1891,1901 & 1911 census but there is no sign of Duncan.

So, on these census years, is the "wife" shown as "married, "widowed" or "unmarried"? I'm guessing "married"?

I rather suspect that if the relationship took place in England and all the children were born in England, threre would be even less chance of there being any documentation in Scotland concerning that relationship, and without knowing where he was from in Scotland it may be difficult to pin down anything, if there is anything, from a previous relationship, if there was one. Is there an occupation for him (sorry, all three of him!

) given on the birth certs of the ten children - just wondering if he was off at sea a lot or similar....

Apart from the 1901 census which shows his name as McCallund

What was his given occupation at that time?

Best wishes
Lesley

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:01 pm

in 1901 he was a Ship Labourer

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:35 pm

What was Catherine's surname?

Regards,
Annette

It's ok I found it - Manning?

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:02 pm

Catherine seems really young (29) to have a 15 year old son in 1891. Are you positive Henry and Elizabeth are her children. Then there's that 8 year gap between Elizabeth and Robert.

and the confusion over Robert's place of birth. HAve all these births been verified?

Regards,
Annette

Post by **SarahND** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:22 pm

Hi all,
See Thelma's other post for more details:

viewtopic.php?t=12933

Regards,
Sarah

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:49 pm

SarahND wrote:Hi all,
See Thelma's other post for more details:

viewtopic.php?t=12933

Regards,
Sarah

Thanks Sarah - thought it seemed familiar.

That explains the weans.

Regards,
Annette

mrbred · Post by **mrbred** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:31 pm

LesleyB wrote:Hi Thelma
The rest of the family appear on the 1891,1901 & 1911 census but there is no sign of Duncan.
So, on these census years, is the "wife" shown as "married, "widowed" or "unmarried"? I'm guessing "married"?

I rather suspect that if the relationship took place in England and all the children were born in England, threre would be even less chance of there being any documentation in Scotland concerning that relationship, and without knowing where he was from in Scotland it may be difficult to pin down anything, if there is anything, from a previous relationship, if there was one. Is there an occupation for him (sorry, all three of him! ) given on the birth certs of the ten children - just wondering if he was off at sea a lot or similar....
Apart from the 1901 census which shows his name as McCallund
What was his given occupation at that time?

Best wishes
Lesley

Hi Lesley,
Yes you`re right Catherine is shown as married on all three census from 1891 to 1911 but her death cert in 1912 shows her as a widow. The ages of Henry and Elizabeth were wrong on the 1891 census - I have Army recruitment papers for Henry that show his dob as Jan 1880 although I can find no birth cert. I also have records from the Medway Kent Workhouse showing Elizabeth`s birth there in 1881 and her brother Henry with her aged 1. This confirms his dob of 1880. As they were both illegitimate they were shown under the name of Manning although both used the surname Mccallum in later years.
Thanks for your suggestions so far.
Thelma