I'm lost and need pointing in the right direction

bryoung · Post by **bryoung** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:29 pm

I'm trying to find birth details of Robert Young in the late 1770's

The information I have relating to his birth is a) from his death cert in 1858, in the parish of Gladsmuir, he was 80 and his parents were John Young & Janet Murdie (I think). b) In the 1851 FreeCen entry he was 72 and born in Midlothian - Cranston.

I have checked Scotlandspeople & IGI sites and can find no record of his birth or the marriage of John & Janet.

Is there anywhere else I could search, or is there also a possibility that perhaps they were not in the "Church of Scotland" and the records may not be on line?

Any "pointing" would be appreciated

Regards
Brian

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:03 pm

Would this be him in 1841?

1841 Census
Piece: SCT1841/708 Place: Gladsmuir -East Lothian Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Gladsmuir Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 5
Address: Penston

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
YOUNG Robert M 60 Coal Miner Outside Census County (1841)
YOUNG Jean F 60 East Lothian

Do you have his wife's MS ? that could help you trace a marriage place and if any of the children [were there any?] are on the IGI or OPRs

bryoung · Post by **bryoung** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:21 pm

Hi Wilma,

Yes I believe that is him, I also have his irregular marriage in 1799 to Jean Donaldson, but these documents don't give any hints as to his birth or birthplace.

Brian

Post by **SarahND** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:45 pm

Hi Brian,
There is every chance that they were not Church of Scotland. Since you are close by, perhaps you can get over to the National Archives one day and have a look at some of the birth records from other churches, if such still exist for Cranston.

All the best,
Sarah

bryoung · Post by **bryoung** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:15 pm

This is where I need the pointing.

I'm not sure what records (not on line) are available and where.

Cheers
Brian

Post by **HeatherH** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:55 am

Hello Brian,
How about a marriage between a John Young & Janet Mure 21 Feb 1768 Edinburgh City Midlothian ?
After all the informant on the death cert will be under the stress of losing a loved one and will be just asking the registrar to fill in details to the best of their memory.
Happy Hunting,
Heather

Currie · Post by **Currie** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:41 am

Hello Brian,

These pages may be worth reading.

This FamilySearch Wiki says for the non-conformist churches “Extent of records unknown” and that sounds ominous. https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Cranst ... C_Scotland

New Statistical Account of Scotland – 1845
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=Dn0 ... #PPA195,M1

Alan

LesleyB · Post by **LesleyB** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:40 am

Hi Brian

I'm not sure what records (not on line) are available and where.

Many non-conformist church records are held at NAS. You could try a search of their catalogue to see if there is anythign of interst held there.
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/
You cannot view the actual records online, you would need to visit the archives. A few of the non-established church records seem to be listed on IGI, but it is a bit of a hit and miss affair....

Best wishes
Lesley

bryoung · Post by **bryoung** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:36 pm

Had a look at the marriage of John & Janet Mure, IGI throws up several children born between 1769 & 1783, all born in Edinburgh, none of which is Robert (Midlothian - Cranston), so this doesn't appear to be a match.

I'm also wondering, as Robert was a coal miner, perhaps in his parents generation, their marriages etc were not recorded, as I believe that at that time, miners were treated as second class citizens, even by the church.

Any thoughts!

lorrainemc · Post by **lorrainemc** » Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:53 pm

Hi Brian, you'll also find non conformist baptisms at the Mitchell archives

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/ ... chives.htm