Rattray Family

LizzieS · Post by **LizzieS** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:58 pm

Help I've hit yet another brick wall this time with with my Rattray ancestors.

I have David Rattray, an ironturner journeyman, married to Jean Davie Sept 1831 in Errol, Perthshire. From Census records he was born about 1813 St Paul, Perthshire (Does anyone know where this is?) and she about 1814 in Errol.

I can only find them in the census of 1861 and 1881 - I've tried both SP and Ancestry - at 5 Barony St Glasgow where they both died. David in 1884 and Jean in 1887. Any idea how I might trace where they were at other census?

Secondly - from Davids stat death record I have his parents as another David Rattray, Master Shoemaker and Jeannie Gray but have not been able to find any other traces of them. I think they were from Perthshire but there are some family thoughts that Ross-shire may come into the picture somewhere.

I'd be grateful for any help or pointers.

Lizzie

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Fri May 01, 2009 6:55 pm

1851 transcribed as Rattevy on Ancestry- living at 9 Glebe St, Glasgow - David born about 1812 Perth, Perthshire -Jane 1813, Errol.

This birth looks hopeful.

DAVID RATTRAY

24 MAY 1810
Christening:
03 JUN 1810 Perth, Perth, Scotland

Parents:
Father: WILLIAM RATTRAY
Mother: JEAN GRAY

Regards,
Annette

nelmit · Post by **nelmit** » Fri May 01, 2009 7:08 pm

In 1861 there is a William Rattray born 1815, Perth at 94 Glebe St. Almost certainly a son of William and Jean Gray but how to prove if that David is yours is another story.

Results for: Father: William Rattray, Mother: Jean Gray

1. MARY RATTRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 JUL 1813 Perth, Perth, Scotland
2. MARGARET PEDDIE RATTRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 DEC 1818 Perth, Perth, Scotland
3. WILLIAM RATTRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 SEP 1815 Perth, Perth, Scotland
4. JAMES GRAY RATTRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 07 JUL 1811 Perth, Perth, Scotland
5. DAVID RATTRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 JUN 1810 Perth, Perth, Scotland
6. ANN RATTRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 SEP 1822 Perth, Perth, Scotland

BTW if you google St Paul's Perth you'll find it was a district.

Regards,
Annette

LizzieS · Post by **LizzieS** » Sat May 02, 2009 7:18 pm

Hi Annette,

Thanks for the info re the 1851 census. Thats certainly the family - all the childrens names and ages match. How did you come to try that spelling!?

I wonder if the family of William Rattray is the right one. The dates don't quite match and my David'd father is given as David not William on his stat death record. I suppose the informant (yet another David Rattray!) might have got the name wrong but he knew he was a Master Shoemaker.

There were certainly a lot of Rattrays in Perthshire at the that time

Lizzie

LizzieS · Post by **LizzieS** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:51 pm

Hi Annette,

I'm begining to think you may be right and that my David's father is William and not David as was stated on the younger Davids Stat Death Record. I took a chance and spent some credits on SP to look at death record of son William of 94 Glebe St. Obviously gives his father as William but guess what he was Master Shoemaker

It doesn't seem likely that both a David and a William Rattray from Perth were Master Shoemakers married to a Jean Gray at about the same time does it?

On another matter my David Rattray was married to Jean Davie in Errol, Perthshire. Her parents are given as Sarah Tait and John Davie, a missionary of the Established Church.

Two Questions - I can't find them anywhere either but maybe they moved about a bit though their daughter was both born and married in Errol. I have even been to Errol Cemetery but couldn't find them there (its not very big so I doubt I missed them).

Second question and perhaps this should be under Occupations, would a missionary of this era been sent abroad and if so is there anywhere I can find out where they would have gone?

Lizzie

WilmaM · Post by **WilmaM** » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:19 pm

LizzieS wrote:Second question and perhaps this should be under Occupations, would a missionary of this era been sent abroad and if so is there anywhere I can find out where they would have gone?

Lizzie

A source could be MUNDUS http://www.mundus.ac.uk, but I don't see anything obvious relating to a Davie.

LizzieS · Post by **LizzieS** » Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:19 pm

Hi,
I'm back on the trail of the Rattrays

Assuming that the William Rattray who married Jean Gray is the right family I started looking further back.
Making the assumation (always dangerous I know) that they might have followed the usual naming pattern I guessed Williams parents to be David Rattray and Margaret Peddie and Jeans parents to be James Gray as is given on their marriage record and Mary ?
Low and behold I have found a David Rattry marrying a Margaret Peddie 10th Nov 1772. David was from the parish of Redgorton and Margaret from Moneydie, the next parish, just to the N of Perth.
(Also James Gray and Mary Mathewson and all their children from IGI.)
However I can find no children of David and Margaret Rattray. From IGI I have found a number of children including a William born to David, a shoemaker at Netherbenchill in the parish of Redgorton, and Mrs David Rattray BUT the childrn were born from 1784 - 1795. This seemed a long gap after the marriage

Were there any others I can't find or did Margaret die? I have found a Margaret Rattray death April 1777. If this is her then presumably David married again but I can't find a record of this marriage. Anyone help with this please.
It would seem strange that his son William called one of his daughters after his fathers first wife

Lizzie