Can anyone help?.....

[Barclay]

I have a couple of queries that I thought some of the experts on here might be able to help me with.

The first is pretty straight forward in that it is a lookup up that I have had for years waiting for Scotland's people to post the data of the RCEs on the site and have got fed up waiting for. I need the info from Old Machar register of corrected entries Volume VIII p54 November 3rd 1887 on William Menzies McPherson.

The second is about a disappearing individual called JAMES GREEN.

Born Glass 2/12/1837 child of Alexander GREEN and Jane INESS
Married 1/12/1863 AGNES MOIR FORBES in Banchory Devenick

1871 census Banchory Devenick shows James and Agnes Green and 3 children AGNES (6), MARGARET(2) and JAMES(1 month)

The next 3 children born are MARY JANE INESS FORBES(illegitimate. There is an oval stamp in the corner next to this entry but I can't read it although it may have paternity hand written in the centre). Then the next 2 children are both described as illegitimate and have the surname Green.

AGNES MOIR GREEN nee Forbes marries again in 1883 and describes herself as a widow but I can not find any record of JAMES GREEN's death can anyone help? Someone should have recorded his death shouldn't they?

It's frustrating when the records don't tell you what you want to know!!

[Alcluith]

There could be a couple or more reasons for the death not being registered.

Possibly died at sea, whilst in army service or died England, Ireland or abroad.

What was James's occupation in 1871?

[WilmaM]

Have you looked for a death after his 'widow' remarried ?

As there are some illegitimate births before the remarriage it doesn't look as if James was around for a while, so could be the widow bit was wishful thinking.

[Barclay]

Thanks for your reply. James was a Farm Labourer in 1871 so it is unlikely he would have had to go outside Scotland to work would imagine.

Do you know what the oval stamp in the corner of the birth certificate would indicate? Is it another RCE? If so I suppose it may have some mention of James if he was not the father.

Have you looked for a death after his 'widow' remarried ?

Yes I have looked but there are no matches that I could find. I think widow is probably correct as she was married in the same place both times and I'm sure some would have said something back then.

Thanks
Barclay

P.S I have Davidson lines in Premany/Insch and another in Kincardineshire Durris/Fetteresso. Any connections?

[AndrewP]

The oval stamp will be another RCE. I have seen them with "paternity" written over them. There will be a volume and page number written there too - is that legible?

As you may have seen elsewhere on ScotlandsPeople, the RCEs have been digitally imaged, but the indexing is proving to be a problem. There are many people in the same queue as you.

In the meantime, there are two ways that I know of for you to obtain a copy of the RCE. If you order a copy of the certificate from ScotlandsPeople, a copy of the RCE should be sent with it for no extra charge - can somebody confirm that happens? Or have someone go into New Register House and see the RCE and note its details for you.

What year was Mary Jane Inness Forbes born? Could the father have been James Green, but he had died during the 9 months leading up to her birth? So technically the mother was unmarried at the time of the birth, and hence "illegitimate".

All the best,

Andrew Paterson

[AnneM]

Hi

A child is legitimate if the parents were married at the time of conception or the time of birth or at any time in between. So if the child's parents were married at the time of conception she is legitimate regardless of the state of the marriage at her time of birth. Equally if the parents marry after the child is conceived and the marriage is dissolved before the child is born whether by death or divorce the child is still legitimate.

Anne

[nelmit]

Hello all,

By 1881 Mary Jane was Innes so I'd say she definitely was not James Green's child.

Dwelling: Kirkhill Cults No 4
Census Place: Banchory Devenick, Kincardine, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0203468 GRO Ref Volume 251-1 EnumDist 4 Page 11
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Agnes GREEN W 38 F Banchory Devenick, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Washerwoman
James GREEN 10 M Banchory Devenick, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Maggie GREEN 12 F Banchory Devenick, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Mary Jane INNES 5 F Banchory Devenick, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Jessie Ann INNES 1 F Banchory Devenick, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Mary FORBES W 78 F Benholm, Kincardine, Scotland
Rel: Mother
Alexander WATSON U 26 M Banchory Devenick, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Nephew
Occ: Masons Labourer

Annette M

[Barclay]

Thankyou to everyone who has responded. I doubt if I am going to find an answer to my questions in the near future as I can't get to Edinburgh to do the look-ups and don't know anyone their who could do them for me.

Come on Scotland's People hurry up and get those RCEs done.

[LesleyB]

If you order a copy of the certificate from ScotlandsPeople, a copy of the RCE should be sent with it for no extra charge - can somebody confirm that happens?

Andrew
I've certainly had that happen to me. I could not read the death entry due to the poor quality of the copy. I sent in contact form and was sent by post both a clear copy of the death entry and a copy of the RCE which I had not requested but was very pleased to receive.

Bst wishes
Lesley

[Rachel]

Andrew P. I tried to send a reply to you on Wednesday but had a blackout, not me my computer. Yes I can confirm that if you order a certificate through Sp or direct from gros the cert will arrive with a copy of the RC.I had one arrive just recently and it cleared up some puzzles in my researching it was £10 well spent.
rachel