McFaull Family Tree

[lmcfaull]

Hi Can anyone help - I am trying to trace my husbands - the McFaulls family tree. I have found Daniel McFaull who was I believe born in Ireland to James McFaull and Eliza Wallace but this is as far as I have got - I am unable to find any trace of these McFaulls on irish ancestory websites. Daniel and subsequent generations seem to have lived in Glasgow. Daniel was married 3 times - firstly to Mary McBain on the Nov 3 1969 at 8 Kingston Place Glasgow. Mary died 17 May 1877 at 99 McLean Street, Govan. Then he married Sarah McCrindle on the Aug 30 1878 at 5 Abbotsford Place Glasgow. Sarah died Jun 11 1885 at Kinning Park Lanark and finally he married Helen Lindsay McFarlane on the Jan 4 1886 at Clare presbyterian church, Ballymore, Newry, Armagh. Daniel died Jun 16 1896 at Western Infirmary Glasgow. There is obviously a striong link to Glasgow as it would appear although Daniel married Helen in Ireland, he returned to live in Glasgow where he later died. I have tried to trace Daniels birth certificate via irish geneology websites but to no avail and also the marriage certificate of his parents James McFaull and to Eliza Wallace - but nothing. I can get no further back on the family tree without these so would appreciate ANY help. Thanks

[paddyscar]

Hi Imcfaull:

A warm Welcome to TalkingScot!

You don't say where you've found the information you have nor where you've looked, which would be helpful, so we don't go over all the same places.

IGI (international Genealogical Index) http://www.familysearch.org lists

James McFaull (Could this be a brother?)
Birth: 11 DEC 1872 Larne, Antrim, Ireland
Parents:
Father: James McFaull Family
Mother: Eliza Orr


On ScotlandsPeople, http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk there is an 1891 census record
Daniel McFaull aged 15 - 20 living with a James

There is one death listed for Eliza McFaull 1855 - 1910, and three for James in the same time frame. You may find a verification of their place of birth, if you pull these records.

All the best,
Frances

[lmcfaull]

Dear paddyscar

Thank you for replying so quickly. Through Scots origins, I have ordered birth certificates and feel confident that all the information that I have collected so far is definately for my husbands family but seem to have reached a bit of a dead end. The Glasgow Family History Society also did some research for me but only found the same information that I did. They said that according to the 1891 census Daniel McFaull lived at 30 plantation street and the census states that Daniel was born in Ireland. They tried to find the marriage of Daniels parents in Ireland - James McFaull and Eliza Wallace but with no luck. As I said they did find the marriage of Daniel to his 3rd wife Helen in Ireland - Banbridge, County Down confirming the irish connection.

I have seen the name Eliza Orr mentioned before but am not sure if this is Eliza Wallace???? - So far through marriage & death certificates etc have managed to confirm all information I have gathered is correct but do not seem to be able to find any definate records at all of James McFaull and Eliza Wallace - I do appreciate that the spelling may have altered in the surname but would love to get a bit further back on the tree as have not managed to find anything for years!!!!

Thanks again for your help - really appreciate it

[paddyscar]

I'm not sure I have it all straight. Have you seen the registration records of John's birth and his parents' marriage, or have only the information? The Scottish records for that time give the parent's date and place of marriage; along with the maiden surnames of the all the mothers.?

Is it possible that Elizabeth had been previously married? If so, that would be indicated on their marriage registration.

Frances

[lmcfaull]

Hi again Frances

Sorry for the confusion - there is no John. I have all the 3 marriage certificates for Daniel McFaull and his death certificate - from these documents I see that his parents names were James McFaull and Eliza Wallace but cannot find Daniels birth online or any original documentation - nor can I find the marriage certificate for James and Eliza. The Glasgow family society think this is because all occured in Ireland but can find no records on irish geneology sites either.

Thank you for your interest.

[LesleyB]

Hi lmcfaull
..and welcome to Talking Scot.

Irish research is usually a bit more of a challenge and there are many of us here who have found that the trail peters out once we reach Ireland, especially before Statutory Registration was introduced across the board in 1864. As your chap's birth likely occurred before this date, and his parents marriage too, to make much headway you would really need to know where he was from and what church he attended - an indication of whether he was likely to be Protestant or Catholic should be given on his Scots marriage entries.

Very broadly speaking, in Ireland surviving Protestant records tend to be more numerous than Catholic records. We did have a lovely long list of Irish links in our Ireland section before our server was switched off inexpecedly last month, and these are in the long "to do" list of areas whcih need to be reinstated to the forum.

One area to check is the poor law records in Glasgow which are very good, and especially I've found them to be helpful for the illusive Irish branches! If your family applied for relief, and many, many Irish families had no other option due to the difficult circumstances they found themselves in, there may be more info about the family there. These records are not online, but are held at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow. However, I don't know where you are situated - are you in Scotland and able to visit there?

I should also mention that my trail own in Ireland grinds to a halt with estimated dates of birth around 1830, so it may help you to know you are not alone, there are many of us in the same boat...small consolation I know.


Best wishes
Lesley

[MLMacKay]

Hi lmcfaull. I hope this message reaches you since I see it has been a couple years since you posted your question. I too, have been researching Daniel McFaull and his parents. I believe, based on the information you posted, that your husband and I may be related. My great-grandfather was Daniel McFaull's youngest son, David. His name was changed from the spelling McFaull to McFaulds, and he was sent as an orphan (as was one of his elder brothers) to Canada in the early 1900s. Would you mind telling me how your husband is related to Daniel? And whether you ever found any additonal information on James and Eliza? I have been having difficulty tracing them as well.

Thank you, and I hope to hear from you.

[lmcfaull]

Hi

Thank you for your reply. It is lovely to hear from someone after all this time. Sadly I never managed to trace James and Eliza. We are assuming that they are from Ireland as we know that their son Daniel was born in Ireland- although he later moved to Glasgow in Scotland. Is this the Daniel that you refer to???? or his son Daniel???? I know James and Eliza's son Daniel married three times - to Mary Mcbain, Sarah McCrindle, and Helen McFarlane but I have never found a record of a son David. Daniel and Mary did also have a son Daniel so perhaps this is the Daniel you refer to???? I never really researched their children as our direct descendent - Robert was a result of his marriage to Sarah McCrindle.

I would really like to know more of my husbands family tree so if you know anymore it would be such a help. I rely only really on the internet and kind of have exhausted my options in finding James and Eliza. I did contact the Glasgow family society and the church in Ireland where Daniel married Helen McFarlane but sadly noone could help me further.

Any information you have would be a great help.

Kindest Regards

Lisa

[MLMacKay]

Hi Lisa,

Yes, it is James and Eliza's son Daniel that I am referring to. My great-grandfather David was the third son of Daniel from his marriage to Helen McFarlane. After Daniel and Helen both passed away within a year of each other, my great-grandfather and his two brothers, Robert and James, were sent to the Quarriers Orphan Homes of Scotland in Bridge of Weir. Later, James and David were both sent to Canada. Robert left in 1902 to join the navy prior to his younger brothers' emmigration. Unfortunately, although James and David remained in contact with each other, neither (to my knowledge) ever learned what became of their elder brother or the remainder of their family. I know that there was a half-brother, Daniel, and a half-sister, Eliza Wallce McFaull, from Daniel's first marriage. You mention in your post that your husband's direct descendent was a Robert from Daniel's marriage to Sarah Jamieson (McCrindle was her married name from her first marriage, as I understand it). I wonder whether this Robert is the same Robert that was sent with them to Quarriers? Robert is listed in the 1891 Census of Scotland as "Robert McFaull", but was registered at the orphanage as "Robert McFarlane". I have often wondered about the discrepancy in the names, but the ages match, so I have assumed that this was the same Robert. "My" Robert was born 24 April 1886, which was after Sarah's death in June 1885. Does this mean there was another Robert? It sounds as though your husband would be a half-cousin of some sort to me. I would love to compare notes! By the way, do you mind telling me where you are? I am in Canada.

Looking forward to hearing from you.
Melissa

[lmcfaull]

Dear Melissa

Thank you again for your reply. It is really so interesting at long last being able to find out more about my husbands family as it was me who did all the research and as said had really come to a dead end and could get no further.

I will tell you what I know from the research and documentation I have found - I am quite confident that what I have is correct as have seen a lot of the documentation but obviously it is not complete as I had no record of Davids birth.

Daniel McFaull married firstly to Mary Mcbain on November 3rd 1869 in Glasgow, Scotland. They had Eliza Wallace McFaull on 10th June 1870. They also had Daniel McFaull 29th March 1873. These are the only two children of this marriage I could find. Mary died on 17th May 1877.

Daniel then married Sarah McCrindle nee Jamieson on August 30th 1878 again in Glasgow, Scotland. The only child of this marriage that I could find is Robert McFaull on 30th July 1882. He is my husbands great grandfather. He married a Norah Parsons but he then died in the second world war on the 12th September 1915. His son - David is my husbands grandad.

Sarah died on June 11th 1885.

Daniel then married Helen McFarlane. I have no paper documentation of their marriage but did find something on the internet to say that they married Clare Presbyterian Church in Ballymore Ireland in 1886. The 1891 census of Scotland shows a James McFaull aged 3 - hence why I assumed they had one other child together. I have not found a death certificate for Helen or any birth certificates of their children together. I have copies of all marriage, death and birth certificates for all the other marriages births etc but nothing from Helens marriage so assumed that perhaps this was because the family were now in Ireland????

The 1891 census was in Scotland and mentions a Daniel McFaull, Helen and three children Daniel, Robert and James. I assumed Robert was our Robert as although he is stated as 5 and was born in 1882 making him 9, I know that ages are often wrong on census returns and thought it unlikely there would be any further children called Robert as obviously know that our Robert was alive.

Are you saying that Daniel and Helen had three children - James, David and ???? Do you know where they were born etc. That would be great to know.

I have Daniels death certificate . He died on 16th June 1886 in Glasgow (so again link leads back to scotland again). It mentions all of his three marriages so confirms all the information got so far is correct. It states his parents as James McFaull - Farm labourer and Eliza McFaull nee Wallace both deceased at the time of Daniels death. I have never been able to find anything on James and Eliza- I did wonder if they are from ireland as in the 1891 census Daniel's place of birth is stated as Ireland and Daniel married Helen in Ireland but have found nothing at all. Obviously maybe there is also a change in spelling of McFaull which may also not help in researching further.

I would really love to hear all you know about the children Daniel and Helen had and any other information at all really you have. I am not sure if he had any other children in his first two marriages than the ones I have mentioned but those are all I could find.

It really has been lovely hearing from you. My husband and I live in England.

Kindest Regards

Lisa McFaull