A long shot - Philps in Dairsie

[jennyblain]

There was a child James Philp born in Dairsie on 13 Nov 1775, the parents being Robert Philp and Jannet Carmock or Kermoch. Robert Philp was a wright in Middlefoodie, Dairsie parish, and he and Janet Kermoch had married in Dundee on 17/7/1774.

Does this ring a bell with anyone? A cousin has sent me these details, speculating that this James might be the one who fetched up in Leith in 1799, whom I've been trying to trace.

Jenny

[Liz Turner]

Jenny

I'm not sure how much checking you have done re the info you've given us. The marriage of Robert Philp to Janet Kermoch on 17/7/1774 was submitted to the IGI by a member. That means it is not directly taken from the OPRs. I had a look at the batch number quoted (7514918) and two further marriages appear in the same time-frame (again both of them are submitted and so not taken from the OPRs). I was hoping that one of them might have been an extract. If you haven't done already, you would need to check for the originals.

The 3 marriages noted around the same period, and in the same batch number are:-

ISOBELLE PHILP - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 28 JAN 1773 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

ROBERT PHILP - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 17 JUL 1774 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

DAVID PHILP - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 04 OCT 1774 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

I looked on SP and the marriage of Robert and Janet Kermoch does appear on 17/7/1774. How did the person who gave you the information get back to this marriage?

Searching for Kermoch's in the parish of Angus, brought up a list of 86. Sometimes it is helpful to look for siblings as this could lead you to the people you are looking for. You might be able to relate the siblings of those you find to the man who turned up in Leith.

Best of luck.

Liz

[jennyblain]

Hi Liz,
The information is from OPRs. For a long time I've been speculating about the birth of a James Philip in the 1770s, who fetched up in Leith as a shipwright (marrying Mary Bell there, daughter of Alexander Bell, wright of Queensferry in 1799). There are several possibilities and nothing conclusive. Another of his descendants speculated about parents' names from the names of his children, and to her the James born in Dairsie seemed most likely, so she checked the record then looked for the marriage which she found in Dundee OPR - 'Robert Philp in the parish of Dairsie and Janet Kermoch in this parish'. (Remember that not everything is in the online IGI, and some of the items entered by LDS members are taken from parish records, though they do need checking). She and I have scans for the birth of James in Dairsie in 1775, and the parents' marriage in Dundee, and found it interesting that on the birth record Robert Philp was a wright - probably a house carpenter.

James, though, to be a ship carpenter in Leith would have had to have done a shipwright apprenticeship, which presumably he wouldn't in Middlefoodie!

I'm trying to find any other information that could help clear this up. Have not found evidence that James b. 1775 stayed in Dairsie (e.g. marriage or death). I have the death of a James Philp, shipwright, in Leith, of the right age to be this one but slightly out for the other 'best probability', though ages at death aren't necessarily conclusive: especially as James's wife Mary Bell had predeceased him and several children had moved off to Greenock.

There were at least three other children baptised in Dairsie in that family, Robert on 2 Dec 1775 Jean on 12 Dec 1782 and one for whom a first name is missing on 30 Sep 1779. I'm pursuing this to see if any links appear, but of course it's one of these things that could eat up endless hours (and SP credits) so I'm asking if anybody else has come across this family. Any evidence is useful.

All best,
Jenny