I'm going crazy.....

Scozzie · Post by **Scozzie** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:29 pm

The elusive great-great-grandfather! Hope Marilyn sees this, cos my gg grandfather's wife is related to her too!!

My GG Grandfather Robert Adam married Mary Morning (or Murey) on 12 June 1863. His parents shown as Thomas Adam & Elizabeth Adam MS Gibson. Robert was 19 at the time, making his birth year about 1843.
I went searching for his birth & death records, no luck with birth record, but I found something confusing - death of Robert Adam in 1908, widower of Mary Morning (she died in 1906), but this time his parents are shown as David Adam & Maggie Adam MS Gibson. His age is given as 59 years, which would have made his birth year 1849. Their son Robert was the informant - perhaps he just made a guess at names and age?
I realise Robert Adam isn't an unusual name, but if these are two separate men, it's too much of a coincidence for them both to be married to Mary Morning and their mothers' maiden name is Gibson.
To add to the confusion, I've also found a marriage entry for David Adam & Elizabeth Gibson on 1 june 1923.
Not surprised I can't find gg grandfather's birth entry!
Who were my ggg grandparents? Any ideas?

DavidWW · Post by **DavidWW** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:12 pm

Scozzie

I'd agree that it would be one heckuva coincidence for there to be two Robert Adams, both married to a Mary MORNING, with mother's maiden name GIBSON.

Sometimes IGI can help resolve the situation, but not in this case ........ very many records were not made in just that era.

It would be more probable that the information that Robert provided for his marriage is correct, unless, of course, there is some kind of skeleton in the closet!

Next step? Find the 17 year old Robert in the 1861 census, - altho' he might not be at home, - but it's more than likely he will be in the 1851 census. I can't recall if you've mentioned the location, - another member may be able to help with one or both of these lookups.

David

Scozzie · Post by **Scozzie** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:17 pm

Thanks Davie. I've already sent an email to Marilyn with all this info (her gg?grandmother was Mary Morning). Hopefully Marilyn has some more information.

Davie · Post by **Davie** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:31 pm

Hi
As you all know about the errors or misinformation on these certs
Just thought I would let you view one of mine.
I am not sure if you can make it out.
The information is erse frae elbow.
Walter was born in Buchanan Parish and his father John was a Shepherd.
The other one beween Finnigan and Hamilton, is an example of a mixed marriage.
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dauvit ... ?.dir=8a03

Awrabest
Davie

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:06 pm

Hi Scozzie,
Do you know if Robert ADAM had any siblings?

There are some candidates for him in 1851 Renfrewshire, but none with any combination of the names Thomas / David & Elizabeth / Maggie for his parents.

Nearest at the moment is a 6yr old Robert with a Margaret 44 in Paisley - though no apparent hubby with her.
Others in the household were Ann 24, Jean 15, Thomas 12, Hugh 1.

Jack

Scozzie · Post by **Scozzie** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:54 am

Hi Jack, I don't know anything about this Robert Adam (middle name Gibson), other than his wife and (some) children. I can't find a birth notice for him with either set of names as parents, and I've found lots of Robert/Mary combinations on different census with children of the same names.... Robert, James, Alexander, Margaret, etc etc (still got those names in the family). I MAY have found them 1881 census at 29 Castle Street Johnstone Renfrewshire.
Very frustrating! I know his mother's name was definitely Gibson, as that has been handed down. Every generation has at least one Robert Gibson Adam. Anybody know a Robert Gibson Adam alive & well in Johnstone?
There must be a connection somewhere!

Scozzie · Post by **Scozzie** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:03 am

Where can I find census records for 1851 & 1861 please?

Post by **marilyn morning** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:42 am

Hello Scozzie

It sounds like you have research overload

but don't worry we have all experienced it at one time or another and you'll will make a full recovery.

Mary Morning is the older sister to my gg grandfather, Matthew Morning and their parents were John Morning and Elizabeth Nicol.

During my research I have found the last name of Morning to be spelled several different ways; Morning, Manning, Morrow, Murray and most recently, Mornin. I chalk this up to the accent, transcription of the records or penmanship. It's Elizabeth Nicol's name that always confirms
my questions in regards to these errors. Her age is another clue.

Robert Adam married Mary Murray (Morning) on 12 June 1863. Robert's parents are listed as Thomas Adam and Elizabeth Gibson and Mary's are John Murray (Morning) & Elizabeth Nicol.

It's my belief that Thomas Adam and Elizabeth Gibson are your ggg grandparents. It all adds up

One last point if you re-visit the marriage record of Thomas & Elizabeth you'll see that Thomas's parents were alive in 1863, but they were deceased when Robert Adam passed on 8 October 1908. Have you checked on SP for the death cert. of either Thomas Adam or Elizabeth Gibson approx 1863-1908?

I certainly hope this help?
Marilyn

Scozzie · Post by **Scozzie** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:40 am

Thanks Marilyn. I don't have the marriage entry for Thomas & Elizabeth - the names on the death certificate confused me. I really think Robert & Mary's son didn't know his grandfather's name or his father's age (not to mention his mother's real first name). I'll go looking for the marriage entry.
I've got a pounding headache and cracks are appearing in the wall.

Scozzie · Post by **Scozzie** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:49 am

Cracks are now appearing in my forehead.

Went looking for marriage, ended up trying ADAM/GIBSON no first names. Three came up, one impossible, two for David Adam 1923. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh. Marilyn - which entry are you referring to for Thomas Adam, father of Robert? If you have it, can you email it to me please?