Hugh Neil

[elise]

Hi, could anybody tell me how I can find immigration records for someone that has sailed to New Zealand?

I am looking for Hugh Neil born in 1830. He married Jane Alexander in 1851 in Glasgow and they had three children together: Elizabeth Jane b.1852 (Glasgow), John Roger b.1855 (Glasgow) and Mary Jane b.1857 (Glasgow).

I know he is in New Zealand by 1868 but am having trouble how to locate the record of his arrival. I have been told that he may have sailed into Otago, New Zealand. I don't know whether he travelled alone or bought his children with him. His wife Jane died in 1867 in Glasgow.

He remarried a Hannah Rogers in Westport NZ in 1869 and they had one child together named Frances Hannah b.1873.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thankyou
Elise

[momat]

Hi Elise,
This site has data for BMDs in New Zealand.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/home
There is a Marriage for 1868/8312 Hannah Dixon / Hugh Neil
Is it possible that her name was DIXON ?
And a Birth for 1873/8638 Neil Frances Hannah.
Hope this helps.

[LesleyB]

Hi Elise

His wife Jane died in 1867 in Glasgow.

Who was the death informant? That may help place Hugh in 1867 and narrow down when he travelled to NZ.

As a matter of interest, I note you say Hugh's second child has Roger as a middle name amd then you say he later marries a Hannan Rogers...wonder if there is any family connection?

Best wishes
Lesley

[momat]

There is a Death Notice on here for Hugh http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

The Daughter's name ties in as there is a Marriage on the BMDs for her
1891/175 Frances Hannah Neil /William Jeffery Andrew and a Death for
1941/21039 Andrews Frances Hannah 71Y.

[speleobat2]

Hi Elise,

There is a marriage on SP for Elizabeth Jane Neil to James Adams in 1870 in Glasgow. Might be worth checking.

Carol

Edit: On the 1881 Census, they have a son Hugh Neil Adams.

[Alan SHARP]

There is a Death Notice on here for Hugh http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

The Daughter's name ties in as there is a Marriage on the BMDs for her
1891/175 Frances Hannah Neil /William Jeffery Andrew and a Death for
1941/21039 Andrews Frances Hannah 71Y.

Greetings from NZ.

There is a lot more for you as well as the two above. Here is what was on the first page. All involved your NEIL family, and there were 45 hits in all for Hugh NEIL so there should be more hits on the other pages. You could also change the search to "H NEIL" and get additional hits.

The first page listings for the Hugh NEIL search:-

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bi ... -&x=53&y=3


Whanganui Herald – over several days

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bi ... ugh+Neil--

Whanganui Chronicle – over several days

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bi ... ugh+Neil--

Marriage of Frances NEIL. to Jeffery ANDREW 1892

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bi ... ugh+Neil--

Court fine “For driving around a corner faster than a walk. Fined 1 shilling, costs 7 shillings. 1893

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bi ... ugh+Neil--

Disfranchised – Did not prove to the Court that Hugh NEIL was still an eligable voter on the Heathcote Electoral Roll. 1884

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bi ... ugh+Neil--

Happy Hunting.

Alan SHARP.

[elise]

Thankyou everyone for all the information; it's a great help!

Lesley, the informant for Jane Neils death is her daughter Elizabeth Jane Neil. It states that Jane is married to Hugh Neil.
If her husband isn't the informant does that mean he wasn't present when she died? Could he have gone to New Zealand already without his family?

Regards
Elise

[LesleyB]

Hi Elise

If her husband isn't the informant does that mean he wasn't present when she died? Could he have gone to New Zealand already without his family?

If he is not the informant that does not mean he was not still there. The informant is the person who reports the death to the registrar.
It may be posssible that he went ahead to NZ without his family; I have a case in my family where the man of the family went ahead to Canada in 1900, then came back for the rest of the family who all left together in 1904. I suspect it was a case of going to have a look and see what the opportunities were and also to make arrangements for a place to stay & etc.

Best wishes
Lesley

[Currie]

Hello Elise,

There was a big Gold Rush to Otago, New Zealand, in the early 1860s. Many miners left their families behind. Read about it here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Otago_Gold_Rush

It was reported extensively in the Glasgow Herald 1861-63.
http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as ... _scoring=a

There was no emigration scheme for gold seekers, they just crowded onto a boat and went. Trying to find a record of one of that lot could be as difficult as finding one for someone who joined the rush to California and to your neck of the woods not many years earlier.

Was Hugh Neil a Baker when he lived in Glasgow? See Glasgow Bakery. http://find.natlib.govt.nz/primo_librar ... Login=true

It looks like he was. In the Glasgow Herald, Friday, July 23, 1852, there’s a notice saying that Hugh Neil, Baker, 83, Centre Street, Tradeston, wont be responsible for any debts contracted by his wife, Jean Alexander. Maybe there was an unhappy marriage?

See bottom of second column, page 2. http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=G ... page&hl=en

Hope that helps,
Alan

[LesleyB]

In the Glasgow Herald, Friday, July 23, 1852, there’s a notice saying that Hugh Neil, Baker, 83, Centre Street, Tradeston, wont be responsible for any debts contracted by his wife, Jean Alexander. Maybe there was an unhappy marriage?

That a really interesting one Alan - you do wonder what the story behind it was.... they seem to have been together a few years after that if the children are anything to go by.