Hello
I have a relative who was according to the 1881 census born in Portobello, Scotland.
His name was David Smith and he was born abt 1844/5 as per 1881 and 1891 censuses
His marriage certificate in 1866 Eccleston, Lancashire to Ellen Kilshaw gives David's father as David Smith a Labourer.
I have been unable to find a birth for Portobello on Scotlands People. Would anyone be able to advise please?
Thank you
Dibsy
Portobello
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Russell
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Re: Portobello
HI Dibsy and can I be the first to welcome you to TalkingScot.
We like a challenge here so don't hesitate to ask for help on the difficult questions.
Portobello was just a little seaside village back then - I think there was a pottery in operation but not much else. It was only in Victorian times that sea bathing became popular and Portobello developed into a resort. It was not a separate parish either and came under Duddingston.
The mid 1840's date may be your stumbling block as there was considerable religious upheaval about that time with congregations breaking away from the Established Church of Scotland and forming Relief churches. Many then became Free churches and records of births, deaths, marriages did not form part of the Established church record system which is the Old Parochial Record (OPR) system we rely on today. Some rejoined the Established church and their records were amalgamated, others did not but their records are sometimes held by the National Archives. Still others faded into oblivion and their records were lost.
Perhaps someone with a better knowledge of the area will be able to tell us whether there was an actual church in Portobello around this time and of what denomination.
Russell
We like a challenge here so don't hesitate to ask for help on the difficult questions.
Portobello was just a little seaside village back then - I think there was a pottery in operation but not much else. It was only in Victorian times that sea bathing became popular and Portobello developed into a resort. It was not a separate parish either and came under Duddingston.
The mid 1840's date may be your stumbling block as there was considerable religious upheaval about that time with congregations breaking away from the Established Church of Scotland and forming Relief churches. Many then became Free churches and records of births, deaths, marriages did not form part of the Established church record system which is the Old Parochial Record (OPR) system we rely on today. Some rejoined the Established church and their records were amalgamated, others did not but their records are sometimes held by the National Archives. Still others faded into oblivion and their records were lost.
Perhaps someone with a better knowledge of the area will be able to tell us whether there was an actual church in Portobello around this time and of what denomination.
Russell
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nelmit
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Re: Portobello
Hello and welcome to Talking Scot Dibsy.
This looks like your David and family in 1861 at Portobello -
David Smith 40 Labourer, Bottle works.
Hannah Smith 38
David Smith 15 Ap Bottle Blower born Liberton, Midlothian
John Smith 11
Alexander Smith 9
Elizabeth Smith 6
Margaret Smith 4
Charles Smith 1
Here is his birth indexed at the IGI
DAVID SMITH
28 SEP 1845 Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland
Parents:
Father: DAVID SMITH
Mother: ANN HUTCHESON
His younger siblings have Hannah Hutchison as the mother's name.
Regards,
Annette
This looks like your David and family in 1861 at Portobello -
David Smith 40 Labourer, Bottle works.
Hannah Smith 38
David Smith 15 Ap Bottle Blower born Liberton, Midlothian
John Smith 11
Alexander Smith 9
Elizabeth Smith 6
Margaret Smith 4
Charles Smith 1
Here is his birth indexed at the IGI
DAVID SMITH
28 SEP 1845 Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland
Parents:
Father: DAVID SMITH
Mother: ANN HUTCHESON
His younger siblings have Hannah Hutchison as the mother's name.
Regards,
Annette
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WilmaM
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Re: Portobello
This will be them in 1851:
Piece: SCT1851/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 49
Civil Parish: St Cuthberts Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St Cuthberts
Folio: 712 Page: 4 Schedule: 14
Address: Rose Hall
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SMITH David Head M M 30 Coal Carter Midlothian - Edinburgh
SMITH Hannah Wife M F 28 Midlothian - Edinburgh
SMITH David Son U M 5 Scholar Midlothian - Edinburgh
SMITH John Son U M 1m Midlothian - Edinburgh
Piece: SCT1851/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 49
Civil Parish: St Cuthberts Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St Cuthberts
Folio: 712 Page: 4 Schedule: 14
Address: Rose Hall
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SMITH David Head M M 30 Coal Carter Midlothian - Edinburgh
SMITH Hannah Wife M F 28 Midlothian - Edinburgh
SMITH David Son U M 5 Scholar Midlothian - Edinburgh
SMITH John Son U M 1m Midlothian - Edinburgh
Wilma