John Lamont and Family

[jdbPA]

John Lamont, c 1811-1849, and his wife Barbabra Duncan, 1806-1887, lived in Rothesay, Bute from around 1830 to 1845. I have their marriage as December 8, 1826 in Patrick, Glasgoww, but it's not referenced. They had about seven children:

Christina (my great + grandmother)
Birth 27 November 1827 in Cowal, Argyllshire
Death March 13, 1905 in Pennsylvania, United States
Christening July 28, 1828 in Inverchaolain, Argyll, Scotland

Margaret
Birth 4 May 1833 in Rothesay, Buteshire
Death 26 December 1914 in Pennsylvania
Christening 1833 June 13 in Inverchaolain, Argyll, Scotland


John Lamont
Birth 22 Feb 1830 in Port Ballantyne Bute Scotland
Christening 1830 April 7 in Inverchaolain, Argyll, Scotland

Looks like the rest were born and Christened in Rothesay, Bute.

Catherine Lamont
Birth 27 Nov 1835 in Rothsay, Bute

Barbara Lamont
Birth 24 Apr 1838 in Rothesay, Bute
Death 21 Aug1906 in Oamaru Otago NZ

Daniel Lamont
Birth 31 May 1841 in Rothesay, Buteshire

Peter McLachlan Lamont
Birth 06 Apr 1845 in Rothesay, Buteshire

John Lamont was a fisherman who probably died at sea but not sure where. I used up a bunch of credits on ScotlandsPeople looking for the death record but don't know if they are for burials only. I have his father as John, b 1774, and Catherine, but the information is not referenced.

Anbody related or know anything about this Lamont branch? I know Barbabra and Margaret ended up in the states. Barabara went to NZ and her family later settled in Australia.

[StewL]

Hi John
I had a look on Scotlands People and there is a marriage for John and Barbara in Glasgow Lanark for 1826.
You will need to get some credits and go and have a look at it.
As it is Banns/Marriages there may not be a great deal of information on the documents, post 1855 have much more.
I had a look for any children on SP for Bute there were 4 matches come up and 3 matches in Argyll, so that could match the children you already know about.

[momat]

Ancestry have several Trees connected to this family.
The parents of Barbara Duncan
Alexander Duncan and Janet Hay

Have you seen the http://www.familysearch.org
There are lots of entries on it relating to them that you can follow.
It appears as if Barbara Duncan was the only child to Janet and Alexander according to IGI site.
This site https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/ has New Zealand data for Barbara Duncan.

Hope this is of use .

[StewL]

Hi John
This is the marriage for Alexander Duncan and Janet Hay
30 MAR 1816 Banff, Banff, Scotland

[SarahND]

Hi,
I'm sure you have this census record showing Barbara and her new husband in 1851:

1851
6 Guildford St, Rothesay, Bute
John Currie, 40, Head, born Dunoon, Argyle, Ag Labourer
Barbara Currie, 40, Wife, born Partick, Lanark, Labourer's Wife
Angus Currie, 6mo, Son, born Rothesay, Bute, Labourer's Son
Christina Lamont, 23, Stepdaughter born Cowal Argyll, Servant
Margaret Lamont, 17, Stepdaughter, born Rothesay, But, House Servant
Daniel Lamont, 9, Stepson, born Rothesay, Bute, Scholar
Peter Lamont, 6, Stepson, born Rothesay, Bute, Seaman's Son
Samuel Nevel, 23, Visitor, born Hawick, Roxburgh, Journeyman Tailor

There is a submitted record on the IGI of the marriage of Barbara Lamont and John Currie on 24 Jul 1849 in Rothesay, Bute. It appears to be there on ScotlandsPeople, so that gives a death date for John between 9 months before the birth of Peter until early 1849. Doesn't get you much farther forward, however, if the death record doesn't exist. Perhaps a newspaper reference to his death can be found?

Are you looking to trace forward the other children, i.e. John, Catherine, Daniel and Peter?

All the best,
Sarah

[Currie]

Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Friday, February 7, 1845
This looks like it could be him. Wreck of the Wilhelmina, all lost, including John Lamont, Seaman, 34, born North Ulst.
There’s much gruesome detail, I’ll see if I can link to some readable images.

Alan

[SarahND]

Thanks, Alan! I was hoping you would come along...
I'll post quick before the gruesome details appear and put me off my lunch.
Cheers,
Sarah

[Currie]

Hello Sarah,

The gruesome bits are in the Morning Post, and I’ll just post the image for that one.

The Morning Post (London, England), Monday, February 03, 1845
http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad28 ... Lamont.jpg

Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Friday, February 7, 1845
http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad28 ... Lamont.jpg

THE WILHELMINA OF GLASGOW.
An account of the loss of this vessel, with all hands on board, on Sunday the 26th ult., about half way between the Calf of Man and Dalby-head, was given in our last. There is no doubt of the identity of the vessel in question, as letters have been received from the agent of Lloyd's for the district where she was wrecked, confirming the suppositions of the local newspaper. In addition to the crew consisting of eight persons, there was one passenger on board of the ill-fated vessel, all of whom were either drowned, or killed by being dashed against the rocks. The passenger was Mr. Wilkie, son of David Wilkie, Esq., writer, Glasgow, who was proceeding to Italy for the benefit of his health. The following is a list of the names of the crew, their ages, and places of birth:—
Joseph L. Bruce, master, 26, Fifeshire, wife and family in Glasgow.
George Bannister, mate, 26, Tenderden.
Hector M’Diarmid, cook and steward, 24, Long Island.
John Lamont, seaman, 34, North Ulst.
Robert Cumming, do., 32, Edinburgh.
Francis Sharphin, do., 23, Blakney.
Alexander Watson, apprentice, 17, Glasgow.
Daniel Anderson, do., do.
The Wilhelmina, after being towed down the river, sailed from Greenock for Leghorn, on the 20th January, with a general cargo, consisting of …….. [goes on to list cargo]

Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Friday, February 14, 1845
http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad28 ... Lamont.jpg

THE LOSS OF THE WILHELMINA.
With reference to the various reports which have been published of the melancholy loss of this unfortunate vessel, the owners, Messrs. Patrick Henderson & Co., have sent us the following statement, as being the true one, with a request to give it a place in our journal. The information is derived from a seaman of the Royal Navy, who was an eye-witness of the distressing occurrence:—
"He first descried the Wilhelmina on Sunday morning the 26th ult., about daybreak, when she was under a heavy press of canvas, and standing on the starboard tack, as if trying to weather the Calf of Man; this, however, being impossible, she went about and stood toward the northward and eastward. In again trying to tack, her jib was blown away, which caused her to miss stays, another was, however, immediately bent, but ere the sheets could be hauled aft this was also blown to ribbons; in another moment her mainsail followed, and the ill-fated vessel was left on a dead lee shore with no canvas to weather it. Our informant thinks that at this time the anchors were let go, which, however, must have only had the effect of bringing the schooner's head to the wind. She now disappeared round a point of land, and ere he again got to a position from which a view could be had, no trace of the unfortunate vessel could be found, save a few floating fragments."—Up till Wednesday last, only the following bodies had been found—Mr. Charles Wilkie, passenger; H. M'Dermid, cook and steward; John Lamont, seaman; Francis Schappen, seaman; Daniel Anderson, apprentice. Those not found are—Joseph L. Bruce, master; George Bannister, mate; Robert Cumming, seaman; Alexander Watson, apprentice. Captain Bruce was the son of the late John L. Bruce, master, R.N.., and was born at Pittenweern, Fifeshire; he was married, and had latterly resided in Glasgow with his family. He commanded the Wilhelmina for about eighteen months, and was much esteemed by his employers as a most active and intelligent shipmaster. —Courier.

Also the following, gives info re burial. http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook ... /notes.htm

p7 Wilhelmina - wooden schooner (135 tons) built Glasgow 1842 enroute Glasgow to Leghorn (Livorno, Italy) with 8 crew and 3 passengers, struck rocks near Fleshwick bay early morning 27 January 1845. Her crew took to the riggings but as she was again dashed on the rocks the masts gave way and they were thrown into the water. By this time spectators on the ground could see what was happening but could do nothing to help as she broke up very quickly. Her cargo of calico prints, earthernware and poultry was washed up along the beach. Six bodies were later recovered and buried at Kirk Rushen though later that of one of the passengers was removed to Scotland. His family at the time, made accusations of plundering and murder of the crew.


John, please grab a copy of the images as I can’t be sure how long they will remain there.

All the best,
Alan

[SarahND]

What a sad story, but John will be very grateful to have all the details (I finished my lunch just in time, so even ventured to take a peek at the gruesome part). We just weathered an extremely violent windstorm here in France and I'm very glad I was in a stone house and not at sea at the time.

Regards,
Sarah

[jdbPA]

Wow. Thanks for the replies.

Stew,

You're right. There wasn't much in that record. I got it a couple of months ago, and it states John was joiner. If it's the John Lamont of the shipwreck, he might have been married by the age of 15. I don’t know if that happened much, but if it did, I guess he could have gone from joiner to fisherman to seaman. Is that a stretch?

Momat,

Barbara did go to NZ and I've been getting great help from that side of the globe. I have to check my Duncan info sometime and see what might be missing. That might turn into another thread.

Sarah,

Some information about Barbara's marriage is on a statutory marriage record for Christina Lamont and Allan Barr. The record shows Barbara's maiden name, the Lamont name and the Currie marriage. They also list John Lamont as a deceased fisherman, not a seaman. Close enough?

I am looking for the other kids on the Lamont side. I know about Barbara, Margaret and Christina, but not the others.

Alan,

Those records seem like John Lamont. It looks like the originals say he was from North Uir. I wonder if he was effected by the clearances. He's got me pretty confused though. Born in North Uir, married in Glasgow, first child born in Cowal, the first three christened in Inverchaolain and finally they seemed to settle in Rothesay. I wonder why some were christened in Inverchaolain. The Inverchaolain area of Argyle was supposed to be the last of the Clan Lamont lands, but I don't know if there is a connection to them or not.

Oh well, it's hard to tell if it's all one John Lamont, or if two or three are being pieced together. But the information is very helpful and appreciated.

DB